LeafAndSky
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Would the J/P difference have any correlation with a tendency toward short-range or long-range thinking? (If this has been discussed before, I couldn't find it in a search.)
Kind of, but there's probably a better way to phrase it. It's more that Js favor sequential structure and order in the external world, which often translates into diligent planning and difficulty adapting to external changes quickly without time to reassess and make new plans.
Ps favor holistic, internalized structure and consistency, but will allow comparatively more flexibility in the way they deal with the outer world. This often translates into less propensity for planning, instead relying on ability to adapt to outward changes as they occur.
So, in a way you have a point, because Ps are more likely to just figure things out as they come up, and Js are more likely to have already planned for them, but the J's plans are not always long-range. They might be intended for a duration as short as a few hours--"How am I going to plan my day today?"
I would suggest that short range vs. long range thinking is more related to S vs. N.
HAH MBTI FAIL!!!
Thanks, Sim. I'm not a J. :hi:
HAH MBTI FAIL!!!
Thank you, Sim. I was actually wondering about things like: seeing benefits in living sustainably vs. going for convenience. Or issues such as nuclear waste storage. Could being more J-ish influence or enhance a tendency to think in short-term ways, as in, "How am I going to plan my day today? (That's way more important to me than sustainability.)" Or could being more P-ish result in "It'll all work out"?
The descriptions are relative. When I say "Js are not as good at adapting without time to reassess and plan", I just mean that relative to most Ps. It doesn't mean no Js have ever learned to do that.
Plus, since you're an old fart, you probably have better command of the tertiary, which, for you is extroverted perception...which probably translates into more quick adaptability.
You're the one who wrote the nutty post months ago saying you don't use Se.
You can't see, smell, hear or fart.
J/P preference is the most contested and you get slightly different answers depending on which authority you ask.
in general, J/P is about tension. J feel tension to decide now. P feel tension to decide later. The effect is that while the J is more opportunistic, the P had a greater potential payoff by waiting for more info.
My brother took 3 months to choose a car. He still bought a car he hated.
I walked in, test drove a car, and bought mine the same day. No regrets.
"Waiting for more information," frequently means the person is just postponing a bad decision.
It doesn't matter how long they wait - it still sucks.
Se isn't an action. Seeing, smelling hearing and farting do not constitute "using Se."
My brother took 3 months to choose a car. He still bought a car he hated.
I walked in, test drove a car, and bought mine the same day. No regrets.
"Waiting for more information," frequently means the person is just postponing a bad decision.
It doesn't matter how long they wait - it still sucks.
Everything that's happening here exemplifies a certain communication dysfuct that tends to happen between individuals of Fi+Te judging preference and Fe+Ti judging preference.
Sim, I have to be honest. I can't wrap my head around the notion that the functions are just "definitions". Or at least, that's how you prescribe them in my opinion. They were derived from observed behaviors, and observed cognitive orientations. As observed orientations, they should be readily seen to the "typologist"; and this is why we have Typology central. However, one action may not necessarily entail a cognitive preference.
To be perfectly clear, usually when someone says "using" this function or "using" that function, they are inferring that function is in the first 4 preferred functions of the archetype of the individual. However, we all use all of our functions to one degree or another. MBTI simply highlights one's preferences.
Sim, a well-known Jungian psychologist burst out laughing when I told him you said, "I don't use Se."
He replied, "Oh? How does he drive a car?"
I was discussing MBTI and the SL-TDI with him, on the phone.
I'm not sure what your excuse is for not even knowing the basic meaning of the functions,
but you certainly shouldn't be judging Aphrodite's knowledge of the functions when you don't even know them yourself.
When your opponent resorts to ad hominem attacks, pity them; for you are the victor.