BlackCat
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its probably rubbish anyway, so I'm not even going to bother digging into it.
How do you dig on the internet?
its probably rubbish anyway, so I'm not even going to bother digging into it.
what makes you think INTP should be dominant Ti?
yeah....I'm still waiting for you to answer my earlier questions which you conviniently avoided.
that's because you is a foo'
btw, is there any reason why you have those links in your signature? its probably rubbish anyway, so I'm not even going to bother digging into it. I also noticed that you changed it +- an hour after my thread, are you no longer convinced of your theory regarding the difference between INTJ and INTPs?
Please read the responses you're skipping over.
"IxTP" is defined by the MBTI system as "that which has dominant Ti."
This is why you are getting a lot of resistance.
It's the same as criticizing the color "red" for being called "red."
Why isn't it called "Msxyaisdn" instead?
...Because it's not.
You seem to have an issue with nomenclature, not the actual ideas themselves.
The MBTI definition of INTP fits with the definition of Introverted Thinking that you posted. Note also that the MBTI descriptions include a sequence of cognitive functions for each type, not just one (as you are trying to use) and also insist on a J/P factor that Jung did not create.
I did, though.
I can see you're looking to "win" rather than have a discussion, so I'll leave you alone.
Introverted Intuition and not Introverted Thinking is the most differentiated function that best correlates with the INTP type.
That is some seriously funny shit.
You see my young Visa is an Attention Whore Hero, unlike you, I don't care for attention, in fact, if no one even replied to this, it would not bother me, not in the slightest.
Why do you assume I have not actually absorbed and processed what I read? Have you read the extracts I quoted?
Please read the responses you're skipping over.
"IxTP" is defined by the MBTI system as "that which has dominant Ti."
This is why you are getting a lot of resistance.
It's the same as criticizing the color "red" for being called "red."
Why isn't it called "Msxyaisdn" instead?
...Because it's not.
You seem to have an issue with nomenclature, not the actual ideas themselves.
The MBTI definition of INTP fits with the definition of Introverted Thinking that you posted. Note also that the MBTI descriptions include a sequence of cognitive functions for each type, not just one (as you are trying to use) and also insist on a J/P factor that Jung did not create.
That is some seriously funny shit.
That is some seriously funny shit.
what makes Isabel Myers interpretation of Jungs theory superior to anyone elses?
so where if not from Jung did Isabel Myers draw her knowledge for her personality type theory? have you bothered to question the foundation of mbti? what makes Isabel Myers interpretation of Jungs theory superior to anyone elses?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator said:...These preferences were extrapolated from the typological theories originated by Carl Gustav Jung, as published in his 1921 book Psychological Types (English edition, 1923).[2] The original developers of the personality inventory were Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter, Isabel Briggs Myers. They began creating the indicator during World War II, believing that a knowledge of personality preferences would help women who were entering the industrial workforce for the first time identify the sort of war-time jobs where they would be "most comfortable and effective."[1]:xiii The initial questionnaire grew into the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, which was first published in 1962. The MBTI focuses on normal populations and emphasizes the value of naturally occurring differences.[3]
Katharine Cook Briggs began her research into personality in 1917. Upon meeting her future son-in-law, she observed marked differences between his personality and that of other family members. Briggs embarked on a project of reading biographies, and she developed a typology based on patterns she found. She proposed four temperaments: Meditative (or Thoughtful), Spontaneous, Executive, and Social.[19][20] Then, after the English translation of Psychological Types was published in 1923 (having first been published in German in 1921), she recognized that Jung's theory was similar to, yet went far beyond, her own.[1]:22 Briggs's four types were later identified as corresponding to the Is, EPs, ETJs and EFJs.[19][20] Her first publications were two articles describing Jung's theory, in the journal New Republic in 1926 (Meet Yourself Using the Personality Paint Box) and 1928 (Up From Barbarism).
Briggs's daughter, Isabel Briggs Myers, added to her mother's typological research, which she would progressively take over entirely. Myers graduated first in her class from Swarthmore College in 1919[1]:xx and wrote the prize-winning mystery novel Murder Yet to Come in 1929 using typological ideas. However, neither Myers nor Briggs were formally educated in psychology, and thus they lacked scientific credentials in the field of psychometric testing.[1]:xiii So Myers apprenticed herself to Edward N. Hay, who was then personnel manager for a large Philadelphia bank and went on to start one of the first successful personnel consulting firms in the U.S. From Hay, Myers learned test construction, scoring, validation, and statistics.[1]:xiii, xx In 1942, the "Briggs-Myers Type Indicator" was created, and the Briggs Myers Type Indicator Handbook was published in 1944. The indicator changed its name to the modern form (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) in 1956.[21][22]
Myers' work attracted the attention of Henry Chauncey, head of the Educational Testing Service, and under these auspices, the first MBTI Manual was published in 1962.
Differences from Jung
Judgment vs. Perception
The most notable addition of Myers and Briggs to Jung's original thought is their concept that a given type's fourth letter (J or P) is determined by how that type interacts with the external world, rather than by the type's dominant function. The difference becomes evident when assessing the cognitive functions of introverts.[1]:21-22
To Jung, a type with dominant introverted thinking, for example, would be considered rational (judging) because the decision-making function is dominant. To Myers, however, that same type would be irrational (perceiving) because the individual uses an information-gathering function (either extraverted intuition or extraverted sensing) when interacting with the outer world.
Orientation of the tertiary function
Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for the extraverts, and interior for the introverts. The remaining three functions, he suggested, operate together in the opposite world. If the dominant cognitive function is introverted, the other functions are extraverted, and vice versa. The MBTI Manual summarizes references in Jung's work to the balance in psychological type as follows:
There are several references in Jung's writing to the three remaining functions having an opposite attitudinal character. For example, in writing about introverts with thinking dominant…Jung commented that the counterbalancing functions have an extraverted character.[15]:29
However, many MBTI practitioners hold that the tertiary function is oriented in the same direction as the dominant function.[23] Using the INTP type as an example, the orientation would be as follows:
* Dominant introverted thinking
* Auxiliary extraverted intuition
* Tertiary introverted sensing
* Inferior extraverted feeling
From a theoretical perspective, noted psychologist H.J. Eysenck calls the MBTI a moderately successful quantification of Jung's original principles as outlined in Psychological Types.[24] However, both models remain theory, with no controlled scientific studies supporting either Jung's original concept of type or the Myers-Briggs variation.[25]
What makes Einstein's theory of relativity superior to my theory of peppermint chocolate gravitrons?
thats quite simple actually, Einstein was a genius <edited>. Are you comparing Isabel Myers to Einstein? if so then FAIL!What makes Einstein's theory of relativity superior to my theory of peppermint chocolate gravitrons?
so basically what you are saying is that Isabel Myers understanding of Personality types is superior to Jungs?What makes Shakespeare's depiction of the human condition superior to the drunk hobos staging a play down at the alley?
<edited>. How deeply have you looked into it? on what is MBTI founded?the simple fact that it has proven reasonably accurate and feasible as a working system for hundreds of thousands of people, including pretty much everybody on this forum!
d(Ti)/dx = 0
Are you comparing Isabel Myers to Einstein? if so then FAIL!
so basically what you are saying is that Isabel Myers understanding of Personality types is superior to Jungs?
thats because the majority of people are probably retarded like you.
if Ti = 10
then
d(Ti)/dx = 0
you see dat dere does not make any sense, you first say Myers extrapolated her own system from some of Jung's ideas then you say her ideas PREDATED jungs published work? how is that possible?Myers extrapolated her own system from some of Jung's ideas. Thus, it's not going to conform to Jung, he just happened to offer a lot that correlated with Briggs' own ideas and she borrowed concepts from him. Her ideas even PREDATED Jung's published work...!
More specific history:
It's really a system all to itself and will not conform to all of Jung's ideas.
You can't really use Jung to say Myers is wrong. Why should Jung be considered superior to everything else? He just happened to be born first and recorded his ideas first; and some of his ideas were useful to Myers. That's all.
case in what point, you haven't proven anything.It's not -- anything with chocolate in it is better!!
Case in point:
e=mc2 is far inferior to e=mchocolate2.
Based on my understanding of Jungs personality theory, it would seem that Introverted Intuition and not Introverted Thinking is the primary\dominant function for both INTP and INFP types.
the secret is in the P
you see dat dere does not make any sense, you first say Myers extrapolated her own system from some of Jung's ideas then you say her ideas PREDATED jungs published work? how is that possible?