OrangeAppled
Sugar Hiccup
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- MBTI Type
- INFP
- Enneagram
- 4w5
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/sx
CuriousFeeling, your description sounds like me but I'm an infp. I think it just sounds like a 4w5 description, the intj aspect seems potentially irrelevant. (minus the traditional art aspect and maybe functional clothes? Although I think I am
Kind of boring clothes-wise, but unique at the same time.)
No offense or anything. I appreciate the effort-
Same here....a lot of it could describe me.
I'd venture to say the demeanor of an INTJ 4 would actually look more INFPish (a REAL INFP, not the stupid stereotypes) than INFJish.
I'm thinking Trent Reznor is a good example of this (okay, he's probably a 5w4, but he's a Fi heavy INTJ, so much so he could easily be mistyped as INFP, IMO). One reason for this is Fi looks much colder than Fe.
My cousin is INTJ 5w4 (so not a 4 either....but close enough to make a point), and demeanor-wise, he's more like me than his INFJ mom (although she is 3w4 & not 4 either), but thinking-wise, he's probably more similar to his mom (they have a more "strategic" attitude towards life).
Maybe I should chime in. I was in a similar predicament, except I mistyped as an INTP and E5. Eventually I came to the conclusion that I am an INFP, E4.
Part of the problem may have been me deluding myself, as I did not view myself as overly emotional and I felt the terms "idealist" and "romantic" did not really reflect who I am. The terms used to describe E4s were romantic, creative, artistic, dark, moody, etc. Sure I felt some connection to those words, but it seemed too dramatic for me, too diva-ish. Eventually I went pass the surfacy/flowery stuff and looked at the more detailed descriptions, the fixations, in particular the more negative descriptions. It dawned on me finally, and there was this weird feeling in my gut. I guess it was sort of a eureka moment.
So basically, my situation is like yours, except I'm a guy, and I suppose the E4 descriptions felt too emotional and feminine for me, more than I'd like to admit of myself. But with this information, I can relate it to so many of my somewhat neurotic tendencies, such as the avoidant personality association with the type and the fact that despite my obsessive researching/reading of this stuff on this site, I only have a few post count. I believe a lot of it has to do with the identity issues of the type. Fear of exposing too much of myself. It would explain why I have this fear of opening a thread after replying to it with a long response.
I had the similar issues with INFP & e4 descriptions (more emotional & dramatic & "soft" than I see myself). I think these are common "complaints" actually.
I'd still suggest to an INTJ who suspects they are a 4 to check the wings (5w4 & 3w4) & see if maybe one is not a better fit. I don't think reconciling INTJ + e4 is as hard as some other combos people claim (I've seen ESTJ e4 - REALLY? So obviously a 1 disintegrating into 4...).