ESTPs tend to care more about group emotions Fe
ESFPs tend to be more genuine(Fi?) and easygoing(informative style?)
Hope Solo
ESTPs tend to be more deliberate(Fe?) and bold(directive style?)
Misty May Treanor
That's a pretty good call on their types. I approve!
Only difference I see is that Hope Solo is smoking hot.
An ESFP would not sing a song like that:
[youtube=YqWkFF-TbMU]Tina Turner : What´s love got to do with it Music Video[/youtube]
"It's practical, only physical": ESTP. Not ESFP.
ESFPs tend to be more genuine(Fi?) and easygoing(informative style?)
Hope Solo
ESTPs tend to be more deliberate(Fe?) and bold(directive style?)
Wrong.Fi is not any more genuine than Fe.
Wrong.Fi is not about genuineness at all.
Right.Though some Fi people are genuine, some are fake and not genuine at all but then so are some Fe people.
To elaborate a bit, Fe is more focused on the external, so the response is more deliberate and adaptive to the environment, but that doesn't mean ''fake'', just less ''pure''. And genuine isn't always good, sometimes genuine is quite selfish.
I don't know what type Tina Turner is, but I wouldn't use this to determine it. Tina didn't write that song, and didn't even like it or want to record it until her manager convinced her that it would be a hit.
To elaborate a bit, Fe is more focused on the external, so the response is more deliberate and adaptive to the environment, but that doesn't mean ''fake'', just less ''pure''. And genuine isn't always good, sometimes genuine is quite selfish
It is not a scientific term. I guess that's how it looks like to me. Orangey agreed with me, so at least I'm not alone. I could've came up with a totally technical/abstract explanation, but, imo, that's counterproductive, as it gets harder to apply the theory to reality.Rasofy
I do not understand why it is that you think Fi is more genuine than Fe. What Fi types value (including genuineness) vary a lot based on what what a particular Fi person feels is best valued.
That would be the unhealthy side of the coin.Well I guess if you mean 'pure' in that kind of arguably childlike way of a person wanting what they want when they want and to hell with what everyone else's wants.
That's not false, but there's too much mbti poetic license. What is implied to be the exception is closer to being the rule. Besides, when people are kind they usually (consciously or subconsciously) expect some reciprocity .Fe types often put others above themselves because they actually deeply and internally value considering others needs to be actually greater or equal to their own needs, it is usually actually 'pure' and not just some superficial external environmental consideration, it is what they actually feel based on empathy & believe based on values unless it is a case of the something like an indiviual Fe type doing some act of 'kindness' for others because of tradition or something less 'pure' like that.
True, but that doesn't help.On the topic of this thread, all you really need to know about ESTP and ESFPs is that when either of these two types are around you need to grip your wallet really tightly and engage your brain completely for signs of manipulation. They are great people usually but not for the naive and gullible.
In a ''look at what I can do'' kind of way, so that's still a genuine response.Oh and ESFPs tend to like being performers a lot more than ESTPs.
Even despite that, I think ESTPs cause more shit. It all depends on what they can get away with. What the "group" actually says. Like one guy I hung around with was pretty over the top, but he could get away with it. If it was 2 am, and someone wanted to get picked up.. he'd show up and might drive right in their fucking yard and start honking. And this is where their parents lived (and were sleeping). And for some reason he'd get away with a lot of it. "Oh you!" I never knew how that worked, but it did.
I know what you mean, it's like a weird kind of charisma. Ive seen this with other people I suspect are ESTP's.