gigi_xo
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- 4w3
ESFP: OMG LET'S DANCE!
ENFP: OMG LET'S PLAY A GAME!
or ESFP: OMG I LOVE HIS EYE COLOR
ENFP: OMG I LOVE THE WAY HIS EYES SEE INTO MY SOUL
ESFP: OMG LET'S DANCE!
ENFP: OMG LET'S PLAY A GAME!
Good point.
In my experience, ENFPs are more likely to be social workers than salespeople, ESFPs the other way around. ESFPs want the interaction, ENFPs want the interaction to serve a greater purpose.
I don't think I lack a greater purpose. And I'm not necessarily inclined to sales. There might be a lot of interaction in sales, but it can be somewhat disheartening to me. If the product sucks, if it doesn't open up any interesting avenues other than profit, if the workplace is a little cuttthroat, compartmentalized, and selfish (which many sales jobs are).. etc., then I will end up making a joke out of it. The joke itself would hold more meaning - because it's fun.
Anyhow...Out of the SP's, I think an ESTP would more enjoy the possibilties and mechanations inherent to a sales job far more than I would.
To grossly oversimplify: ENFPs have no idea what's going on in the real world around them. ESFPs are almost always very aware of it.
yeah. Although older ENFPs will really start to use the Si and look very practical ISTJ style, especially in the workplace. Kind but pragmatic at 40.
I cant really have great convos with ESFPs until we are drunk, but I do have to say they totally get it when I get emo over something. Otherwise they dress much better than me and surprisingly seem to have more drama. I havent found one who does real well with money-even a very, very clever one I know who is a biochemist. But i likely need to meet some older ones.
We act the same, so its hard.
ESFP's can be flaky and unobservant and miss things, which make us look very un S-like. (I'm not sure why we are this way, I used to think I was an N for this reason.)
I can't make this more simple for all of you:
Take two individuals who are being total fuck ups:
--The ESFP is the one who is fucking up because they are having too much fun or being too active
--The ENFP is the one who is fucking up because they are just not too concerned about the future...and swear that they have xyz scheme that will totally fix everything.
If they arent fuck ups yet, just imagine which category they'd fall into.
appendix section: take two individuals who you know are ENF, but you aren't sure if they are ENFJ or ENFP:
--the one who is more ESTP-like at times is ENFJ
--the one who is more ESFP-like at times is ENFP
i think the esfp partygoer stereotype is just as simplistic as the isfp hippy or artist stereotype. it's almost impossible to live up to those molds.
This is a very biased, unhelpful answer.
You are being too cookie cutter about it. I didnt attackt this as, "lets move up #3 function of the ENFJ and the #3 function of the ENFP".That makes no sense at all. If the ENFJ is being ESTP-like then the ENFP is analogously being ESTJ-like.
How is it biased? Typology is a categorization of biases! All I did was highlight the two obvious ones pertaining to EXFP. If you want, we can make a differentiation between ESFJ and ENFJ:
If two people are being controlling bastards:
--the ESFJ is obsessively controlling because you aren't fitting into their chosen paradigm of how the world has, does and should work.
--the ENFJ is obsessively controlling because you aren't fitting into their long term vision of where the current paradigm needs to move towards.
Now that you understand how we could levy this against any type, how is differentiating EXFP flakiness different than differentiating EXFJ controlling-ness?
You are being too cookie cutter about it. I didnt attackt this as, "lets move up #3 function of the ENFJ and the #3 function of the ENFP".
I attacked it as, "lets compare the internal judging function of each other", knowing that both can be confused as SP's sometimes...
"having too much fun or being too active" doesnt have to mean partying. I didnt say partying. It could just be they are waking up, smoking a bowl and watching TV all day. Or they could be completely straight edge and it could mean they are reading a book, going to dinner and then say, "eh, Ill do that hw tomorrow"...
He's right - it doesn't make sense. Especially since our Te is tertiary and your Ti is inferior, I don't know why you'd "often" test as a Ti-aux.
You are being too cookie cutter about it. I didnt attackt this as, "lets move up #3 function of the ENFJ and the #3 function of the ENFP".
I attacked it as, "lets compare the internal judging function of each other", knowing that both can be confused as SP's sometimes...