bcubchgo
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Looking through his speeches he emotes in a major way. Clearly he was an extraverted feeling user.
no no - that's not emotion - it's a scare tactic.
It's probably the same documentary that I posted 3 pages ago.
ok. well I watched it yesterday and it was pretty underwhelming. I hate when documentaries take 5 minutes of material and drag them out into a full hour. They focused way too much on the fact that Hitler was into being demoralized sexually. It did reinforce ISTJ in my own mind simply because of the fact that they kept mentioning how stone faced he was all the time and then how he was the complete opposite in times of desperation. ISTJ's in general have huge issues with expressing emotion, viewing it as a weakness (macho bullshit to cover up insecurity). Also the part about how he kept becoming more neurotic as his downfall continued - that is totally ISTJ. When they can't control something they make everything into a federal case, chaos is their bane.
I came to the same conclusion reading about him. He procrastinated a lot, was often late to meetings, and frequently relinquished responsibilities to others. He was an "idea man," a wayward idealist.
The way I view it he was not so much an "idea" man but a strongarmed logistical tyrant. If you view the youtube that was posted (part II) by Peguy they clearly mention that he did not bother to read reports - he just gave orders based on his whims. Also, he was not so much a "leader" as a person who had so much charisma that people were willing to do things for him just to please him. This is also very ISTJ, by the way. I have known one or two that are like this - they are pretty lazy themselves because they know that other people are gonna take care of shit for them. He didn't procrastinate - he just wasn't necessarily needed to be involved - everyone else revolved around him and kissed his ass.
in my opinion, the most likely type is INFJ.
no way. INFJ's are sympathetic and sensitive people, and understand other people's feelings. Hitler was none of these. He held all his emotions inside himself and then they burst out in full force when he couldn't handle it anymore.
nothing about hitler's bearing reads as NTJ to me, though all of his conceptualizations read extremely strong Ni. Fe follows logically: not only is he a charismatic public speaker, but much of the way his vision for germany was to be achieved was through social classification and reorganization, Fe's domain. but it's not his lead: his speeches were tightly pre-scripted, and he cares about the vision first, even to the detriment of the people. i also swing towards introvert because he did not seem to be very externally expressive, he chose very isolated safehouses, and when his campaigns were going poorly, he retreated to solitude, instead of engaging the people.
that's because he's not an N.. lol. STJ's can be extremely charismatic speakers when they know what they are talking about. Normally they would keep quiet but when you touch upon a subject that is something they are experts in they will demonstrate their knowledge in a very visceral way. Once again he did not have a "vision" - if you listen to the documentary posted above (part II) they mention that his dictatorship was very disorganized and chaotic because he took a "things will work themselves out" type of a view towards his leadership. He was the fountainhead - the rest of the drones "made it so".
i think you're kinda doing just that, though. if we zoom out and look at hitler, what we see is nazi germany. both through political strategizing and personal enthusiasm, hitler became his ideal. i don't really know how you can get any more NF than that.
hitler was NOT a feeler. feelers are compassionate. hitler had ZERO compassion.
uniforms, social hierarchy, and commanding people are all easily explained by impersonally(Ni)- driven Fe. he was a strong prioritizer, but his prioritization was extremely socially-oriented, not so much Te logistics. i also don't see much Si in his goals - the "new order" was literally a new amalgamation of ideas, not based on previous experience or a return to traditionalism. it really only utilized old symbology (the roman salute, the swastika, etc, but those are abstract concepts - not the work of Si.) through a Si-Te mindset, i can hardly see the necessity of so many banners with a symbol that only possibly relates to german antiquity - it was considered a symbol of the aryan race, an N abstraction, more so than an S reality. additionally, the idea of german expansion deviated greatly from traditional ideas of maintaining a smaller state. the third reich was not working towards reestablishment, but attaining a new goal.
once again, you are assuming that he was the organizer of everything. he was not. many of the fine details of the nazis were carried out by others, as has been established by his laissez-faire attitude towards understanding minutia. hitler was not doing anything the german people did not want. he knew that germany was in a desperate situation and took advantage of that. everyone worked together to make nazi germany what it was. hitler could only take the organization so far - ultimately it was up to the general public to believe in the power of working together to create a new order.
if we're considering type purely through functions, though, J doesn't actually have to do anything with any of those traits. (and an NJ i know procrastinates as much as i do, so i wouldn't go off that.) there are correlations, sure, but being late doesn't make you not a J. i find it hard to abandon the idea that he has Ni somewhere in his top 2 functions. Ne... it's powerful, but it's not focused. additionally, if he's an IxxJ, that makes him Perceiving dominant, despite J. an IxFJ is also more likely to be less externally organized than an IxTJ because Fe is more about social prioritizing.
the only other type i could consider for him is INFP, but his relentless drive to structure doesn't seem very IxFP compatible. and does he strike us more as Harmonizer Clarifier or Foreseer Developer? i'm going with Foreseer Developer. plus, does this strike us as the idealism of someone who is highly attuned to subjective evaluation and individual difference.
you're overthinking this. it's pretty simple actually. Hitler was not actually interested in the future. He was only interested in figuring out how to continue his charade, which focused on making sure that everything was "just so" in the current moment. he was brilliant at expressing the values that needed to be expressed at the appropriate moments.