LucrativeSid
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BlueWing, if I were ever to become extremely vulnerable and lay myself down at your feet, you woudln't hurt me would you?
Agreed!!!BW's not like some kind of malicious prick. He just talks out of his ass most of the time.
it should bother you.
Athenian: there's some underlying assumption here that the rest of us don't understand BW's perspective. We do. We understand it very well. It's just a stupid perspective. You just can't avoid taking sides here. Why not just say that you don't agree with him in the first place?
Anyway, I hope what I'm about to say isn't too personal, but here it is: you seem to feel a need to defend people who say things that others find insulting or mean. Well, in this case (as well as a few others) it WAS insulting and mean. Understanding his perspective isn't going to go anywhere to resolving the conflict.
Besides, if I wanted to UNderstand what's up with BW's perspective
If you wouldn't mind athenian, could please elaborate?You and people like you keep trying to force your values on me, and I don't want them.
If you wouldn't mind athenian, could please elaborate?
That's an interesting sentiment coming from someone who's condemned any number of the "mean" things in my posts.The thing about me is that I don't believe in dismissing any perspectives, even if they can be hurtful. I believe every perspective has something to teach us.
You and people like you keep trying to force your values on me, and I don't want them.
Great post, and yes, I do see/understand what you mean.Well, okay. I feel that I should have a right to entertain an idea and see where it leads without being stamped with having accepted that idea, which is what I feel Gabe was trying to do to me.
For instance, I did see what offended Gabe and several others in the description... namely the condemnation of ENxP's and Ne for a particular type of behavior BlueWing identified in them. I didn't actually agree that this behavior was a characteristic of xNxP's, I simply entertained the idea in order to try and understand why BlueWing believed what he did, which is what I prefer to do, even if I disagree. I wanted to delve further into the idea and see where the root of it was, whether I accepted it or not. I felt that Gabe simply wanted to force an end to any such discussion immediately, and make the entire situation about how BlueWing's association of this behavior with ENxP's affected them. With no investigation, and no tolerance of seeing any value in something that might be hurtful. They certainly have a right to feel offended, but I don't think that gives them the right to condemn me for entertaining his ideas.
There have been a lot of people I feel have crashed a thread (and real discussions) in this way, and tried to insist that I have no right to react differently from them, lest I set myself against them.
Also, I wish that they would carefully explain the reasons for their disagreement with the idea rather than simply condemning it because they found it offensive, because that doesn't really seem constructive to me.
But it's really a moot point, as I think the thread has been carried away so far that there's no way to lead it back to a discussion of the OP.
Do you see what I mean here?
The thing about me is that I don't believe in dismissing any perspectives, even if they can be hurtful. I believe every perspective has something to teach us.
I wish you had been more willing to compromise and think rather than insist that I'm on his side or yours, and that the situation be about how it affects you and others who share your reaction. I wanted it to be about the ideas that BW was pointing to, rather than its impact on a specific group of people. But if that's what you want to believe, then there's no way I can reason with you, and I'm sorry. You and people like you keep trying to force your values on me, and I don't want them.
Well, okay. I feel that I should have a right to entertain an idea......
etc etc
........Do you see what I mean here?
noooooo. I'm sure whatever you do is not what BW is thinking about. BW has issues!! Please don't lend any hint of support to his bullshit.
niffer, though I do not know you personally, and have only read a handful of your posts, and half of your blog, with all due respect, I have my doubts regarding whether or not you are an ENFP, and your post in my thread http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/4103-spontaneous-outburst-tears-12.html#post141501, basically solidified my suspicions.
Whether or not you are an ENFP is kind of besides the point.
Do you honestly feel that Extroverted Intuition is indicative of megalomania????
In his OP, Mr. Wing referred to me as being a megalomaniac, and that is just ludicrous, truly.
I think the reason why some of us are responding so passionately to BW, is the fact that he ascribes certain aspects to us that are, to most of us at least, abhorrently incorrect.
What do you think?
niffer, though I do not know you personally, and have only read a handful of your posts, and half of your blog, with all due respect, I have my doubts regarding whether or not you are an ENFP, and your post in my thread http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/4103-spontaneous-outburst-tears-12.html#post141501, basically solidified my suspicions.
Whether or not you are an ENFP is kind of besides the point.
Do you honestly feel that extroverted intuition is indicative of megalomania????