Ever hear someone say, "He or she knew me better than I knew myself"?
Ever hear the saying, "Figure of speech"? I have had quite a few people direct this at me, and although I get flattered, I don't really walk away
believing that was truly the case. I'm not that egotistical (and that's saying a lot). I just got an insight into someone, the way one gets being an observer, an outsider looking in, and something clicks with clarity due to detachment, rather than speaking from within the midst. That doesn't mean I've seen the basement or the attic nor know if it exists.
Asking me to explain to you how someone "realizes" something about another,
is no different than asking how the hell my Ni is so developed that it scares the piss out of people.
Oh...okay. I get it. It just
is. Don't question, don't ask HOW. Cleo can see all.
Do me a favor and don't refer to people as "external mechanisms."
I'll spit out my coffee laughing if you do.
You are quite the faulty external mechanism to me, sweetheart.
Oh God, here comes the "external mechanism" shit again.
Ni would argue otherwise sweetheart.
That's a discussion that could flip out a few people. <smirk>
I don't even know what this means, but, I'm sure that it's more than enough that you and your Ni know. The world can sigh in peace.
You are basically asking the same thing you asked in the beginning of your post all over again.
Some people have an amazing ability to penetrate the psyche of others faster than a person "gets" themself.
I realize that might not sit well with you, but some things are true,
whether you believe them or not.
Fuck
believe. We're not in Disneyland. Prove it.
And, this time, try using logical deduction rather than idioms and figure of speech from anecdotal stories as your 'evidence'.
My point still stands, which is many people do not know why they do what they do, or are even aware of it.
Very few of us consciously question or are aware of every little action we do throughout the day. It would be evolutionary unwise for the human species (and our brain's energy) to do so.
Case in point: a woman who twirls her hair between her fingers.
I have brought that up to some women who then say:
"Oh! I didn't even realize I was doing that!"
These examples are getting more ridiculous. Regardless, here it goes,
SHOCK! WOW! Jag, you're the man! I can't believe you can seek out the core of a person to this degree! MindHair-Blowing.
And I am simply saying an outsider could see into another person,
what he--or she--cannot see within themselves.
I won't disagree, that others act as mirrors for ourselves in many aspects of our lives. My point from the start has been - no other can be that complete mirror
more that you can be yourself (assuming mentally healthy individuals, a'course).
You will again ask, "what's the mechanism"?
Let's not go down that path again.
I will question as this premise of yours defies the logic of individuality, individual identity, one's databank of memory, past experiences, learning, cognition, feelings/emotions evoked throughout life, etc, etc.
I am also saying a person can be truly unconscious about even strong behavior that they exhibit on a daily basis.
Sure, never was my contention with this point.
The bottom line here is quite simple:
Due to varying levels of consciousness,
there is huge potential for error when one takes a self-assessment test.
Okay......we're talking apples and oranges then in this debate. My whole point of engaging in this debate, was with your assertion when I was speaking about asshol(ism) and understanding the 'true core' of the person:
Frankly, they are the last person on earth to make that call .
And, I said, others can't know you more deeply (more to the core) than you know yourself. (I won't contest whether they may get pieces of insight into you, which you may not have been aware, as I agree)
But, whether you're the Virgin Mary in hooker-boots, or an asshole called Robin Hood,
all the facets of you....only one person is privy to
all that information to make the most informed of decision about the person. You.
Varying levels of consciousness could just mean that a person doesn't know themselves as much as they could. That doesn't mean ANOTHER does.