Faceless Beauty
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- Aug 20, 2012
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- MBTI Type
- ENTJ
- Enneagram
- 9w8
I am going to go against the stream here and say that I don't think ENTJs and ESTJs are that much different at all. Why should they be? They are both Te dominants and thus they are the most oriented towards Te data in terms of cognition. Whatever quirks that may be different between them are probably caused more by say, enneagram differences than Ni versus Si. I think in particular, Ni and Si are going to operate in the sense that the ENTJ will be more "future-oriented" due to Ni perception and thus planning towards the future, whereas I think an ESTJ is going to be more focused on the concrete here and now. Ultimately the Ni and Si should rather just be seen as N and S I think. an ENTJ is more oriented towards the intuitive world and an ESTJ the sensation world.
Like what really just seems to separate ExTJs as a whole is how mature they are and how much they have learn to accept/develop inferior Fi. An ExTJ is going to be a dick no matter if ENTJ or ESTJ if the inferior Fi is extremely rejected.
No one here has denied that ESTJ and ENTJ are similar, seeing as both obviously use Te as the main process in their cognition. However that isn't the purpose of this thread. While I agree that enneagram plays a role, Ni and Si do make a difference, even if you think it's little. Keep in mind that every ESTJ might be heavy in Si or have developed or underdeveloped tertiary Ne, and the same could apply in regards to the Ni and Se of the ENTJ. Just saying that they are so similar and blatantly ignoring this when discerning differences between the two is a bit erroneous, no?
As for ExTJs being "dicks" because the are out of touch with Fi, I don't think that is necessarily true seeing as developing Fi or having Fi higher up in the stack of functional preferences does not make someone a dick or not.