Ene
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Hey Mane,
I'm kind of lost in the discussion because I only just now came into it and am playing "catch-up." However, I will make my best attempt at a reply. I do agree with much of what Cafe says.
I don't know if I'd say that my thoughts are beautiful or ugly so much as they are possible results, some desirable, some not [I suppose that could be considered beautiful or ugly, beautiful being an outcome that is pleasing and ugly being one that is messy]. Some thoughts, if followed and brought into the world as actions or words, could lead to great results. Some if followed, could be devastating. Ever watch Sherlock Holmes with Robert Downey Jr.? On the movie Holmes always sees a multitude of possiblities before making any action. That is very much like how my brain works, except not as elaborate as on the movie. In any given circumstance, I consider what reprocussions will occur as a result of anything I do or say. I actually visualize them occuring and then decide whether it's worth the risk or not and if there's a loss involved, whether it's worth the loss or not. In a way, it is like seeing the future, or rather, multiple possibilities of futures. Thoughts are like portals to possibilities, things that either will become reality or not become reality, based upon whether I decide to go down a paticular thought path or not. No thought exists in isolation. Everyone of them is connected to other ones.
I do control my thoughts. I have constant ongoing internal conversations happening. I take every thought captive and examine it. If it has the potential to be something worthwhile, I let it breathe, and explore it. If it's just going to lead to a dead end and cause a lot of trouble, then I put it on a backburner [or as someone said, "In a box."] I put lots of thoughts on the backburner, or rather file them away for another date when they might prove useful.
Yeah, I'd say that's very close to accurate. But the judging happens not prior to the thought but immediately upon it entering my mind. At that very instant, I decide whether it lives, dies or gets put on the back burner.
Yes, depending on what the thought is...sometimes, it just undergoes reconstructive surgery. Remember, Ni is all about possibilities. If A is going to lead to C and C is going to yeild hazardous results then perhaps a detour can be arranged between A and B or B and C. In other words, I think about my thoughts and where they will lead and if the end result looks bleak, I may start looking for alterations, but still, there are times that when YES...C looks so bad that I just won't go there and totally banish its existence or possibility.
Yes, that is a great description. There are lots of things I think but don't say, and lots of thoughts that start to be born but don't get to be, because I internally say, "No. That thought will screw up my life or someone else's because I know where it will lead."
On a side note, I'd like to say that sometimes, I will mull a thought in my head for weeks, or months or even a few years, before I actually say anything about it or act on it. At other times, I will keep the thoughts secret and build an entire plan before I reveal it to anyone. I carry entire novels in my head before I type them and songs before I write them. On the other hand, I'm quick to recognize and seize an opportunity. In these cases I have to make those thought judgements very quickly and I don't have days or weeks to mull them over.
I'm kind of lost in the discussion because I only just now came into it and am playing "catch-up." However, I will make my best attempt at a reply. I do agree with much of what Cafe says.
- a notion which i found very foreign - was that a thought can be ugly.
I don't know if I'd say that my thoughts are beautiful or ugly so much as they are possible results, some desirable, some not [I suppose that could be considered beautiful or ugly, beautiful being an outcome that is pleasing and ugly being one that is messy]. Some thoughts, if followed and brought into the world as actions or words, could lead to great results. Some if followed, could be devastating. Ever watch Sherlock Holmes with Robert Downey Jr.? On the movie Holmes always sees a multitude of possiblities before making any action. That is very much like how my brain works, except not as elaborate as on the movie. In any given circumstance, I consider what reprocussions will occur as a result of anything I do or say. I actually visualize them occuring and then decide whether it's worth the risk or not and if there's a loss involved, whether it's worth the loss or not. In a way, it is like seeing the future, or rather, multiple possibilities of futures. Thoughts are like portals to possibilities, things that either will become reality or not become reality, based upon whether I decide to go down a paticular thought path or not. No thought exists in isolation. Everyone of them is connected to other ones.
before that i considered some thoughts awesome and even beautiful, other thoughts can be boring or uninspiring, other thoughts can be worrying, but... i've never quite considered that thoughts can be judged as ugly or distasteful or.. i am trying to think of a better term here, "not worth thinking" ? an "unwelcomed thought"? anyway....
I do control my thoughts. I have constant ongoing internal conversations happening. I take every thought captive and examine it. If it has the potential to be something worthwhile, I let it breathe, and explore it. If it's just going to lead to a dead end and cause a lot of trouble, then I put it on a backburner [or as someone said, "In a box."] I put lots of thoughts on the backburner, or rather file them away for another date when they might prove useful.
in certain situations, it seems like INFJs are able to judge a thought prior to actually thinking it, and choose to not think it at all.
Yeah, I'd say that's very close to accurate. But the judging happens not prior to the thought but immediately upon it entering my mind. At that very instant, I decide whether it lives, dies or gets put on the back burner.
so let's say A leads to B which implies C
but C is judged as ugly (a thought one desires to not think?)...
and so they thus choose to not go from A to B at all.
Yes, depending on what the thought is...sometimes, it just undergoes reconstructive surgery. Remember, Ni is all about possibilities. If A is going to lead to C and C is going to yeild hazardous results then perhaps a detour can be arranged between A and B or B and C. In other words, I think about my thoughts and where they will lead and if the end result looks bleak, I may start looking for alterations, but still, there are times that when YES...C looks so bad that I just won't go there and totally banish its existence or possibility.
i say "prior" here with a certain reservations regarding a leap of assumptions - i can say that at least it looks from the outside like you have never thought the actual thought, never uttered it in full within your own minds, and instead choose to put a lock on it or walk around it... it's sort of like the opposite phenomena to what described in the video's bit about inferior Se. it's as if your mind is capable of walking around your own eggshells. like there are situations things are on the tip of your tongue but you won't say them, you seem to have situations where something is on the tip of your mind, but you won't think it.
Yes, that is a great description. There are lots of things I think but don't say, and lots of thoughts that start to be born but don't get to be, because I internally say, "No. That thought will screw up my life or someone else's because I know where it will lead."
On a side note, I'd like to say that sometimes, I will mull a thought in my head for weeks, or months or even a few years, before I actually say anything about it or act on it. At other times, I will keep the thoughts secret and build an entire plan before I reveal it to anyone. I carry entire novels in my head before I type them and songs before I write them. On the other hand, I'm quick to recognize and seize an opportunity. In these cases I have to make those thought judgements very quickly and I don't have days or weeks to mull them over.