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So what does your school experience have to do with now or anything that I wrote about volunteering?Nope.
So what does your school experience have to do with now or anything that I wrote about volunteering?Nope.
Oh. I can't imagine believing any of the schools I've gone to or that my kids have gone to are accurate or particularly trustworthy, let alone exhaustive sources of relevant information. Your schools must be different than ours.The fact that we've been told about what kind of volunteer work is available here - commenting on you saying that it is useful in the US.
So there isn't any way making a good impression on someone who organizes a lot of things with the government or who is married to someone you have to go through in order to make (authorize?) events could be of any benefit to someone? Do you use references on employment applications and resumes in your country?We had a teacher who organizes a lot of such things with the government and another one who's husband is one of the guys who you have to go through to make such events. Both are very enthusiastic about all those things and they encourage students to do it. More than once they've spoke about it throughout the whole lesson. Our class teacher gets into from the government and other schools on what is available (though she mostly offers events as in "self-help" kind of thing).
So yea, it was different.
Don't knock people who make an honest living. I don't care if they are picking up cans by the side of the road - at least they're doing a job.
[MENTION=16748]Il Morto Che Parla[/MENTION] [MENTION=15978]Typoz[/MENTION]
Maybe I did misunderstand. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to live a hard life, because it sucks. But the words you are using to describe it convey disdain when spoken in my culture. People here are picking up on the way you are speaking.
It's understandable that most people don't want a difficult life for themselves but we have different ways of saying that.
But Typoz says his family is poor. Wouldn't doing some kind of work while waiting for his unpredictable plan to come to fruition be better than doing nothing? Or would that cause some kind of social stigma that would be difficult to overcome later on?
No idea, I don't even know what country he is from. I was only speaking of my own experience I can't speak for him.
How would such a scenario work in your country?
Ok I will try to express something...in a developing country, at least in my experience, those kind of jobs, are truly a very hard life. I don't mean in the way of "good honest hard work" like a US or British person would think. I mean that the people who do those jobs, have no status in society, cannot afford to eat properly, they live in collapsing houses in unpaved streets, they cannot afford heating in the winter or cooling in the summer, if they lose one paycheck they starve, and there is no prospect of social advance for them, however hard they work. Plus the work will be ridiculous hours, with no health and safety, no rights, no dignity.
So I cannot speak for [MENTION=15978]Typoz[/MENTION] but only for myself, but having been born in such a country to a reasonably wealthy family (I moved to Britain at age 2)...we do "disdain" that kind of work in the way that you may "disdain" being homeless...it doesn;t mean at all disdaining the person, just thinking, it is a really shitty life.
I get that in Western Europe or the US, it's not like that, and refuse collector or a construction worker, can have a dignified life. But sadly in most countries that is not the case, and as such middle class eductaed people, would never go near that lifestyle, any more than you would go live on the streets.
Hope that makes some sense.
My definition of wasting my life: not enjoying my life as in living comfortable and doing what I enjoy.
My reason is that I live in an undeveloped country and my family is poor. Which causes me to be unable to live comfortably. Also unable to make money, as making money requires an investment which I don't have. That, of course, excludes horrible ways of making money, such as horrible jobs. An anyway, those jobs only pay enough to pay for living expenses.
In short, I feel like I've wasted over 20 years of my life and I'm continuously am wasting it, AND I'm likely to continue wasting it in the near future. Which, to me, feels horrible. I've plans how I can stop wasting it, but they all include factors that will happen but I can't influence them. They can happen today or in a year, but when it does happen, I'm ready for them and I know exactly what I'm gonna do then, step-by-step, both in the worst-case and best-case scenario.
P.S. To those who're gonna look at this as in "you can do something and yet you don't," that's true. Reasons for this are stated in the second paragraph and it contains little detail, which means that you shouldn't make a strong judgement based on that. The possibilities that I'm aware of usually result in a conclusion that says "it's a waste of time, nothing good will come out of it in the long run, nor short-term."
So any of you feel like you're wasting your life? If so, describe it - how are you wasting your life? Why are you wasting it? Are you doing anything to change the situation?
This was a very helpful post. I was definitely working within a Western framework.
So Typoz probably lives in a very hierarchical, classist society like many Indian cultures, for example? With very different social rules?
Yea, we use references from previous workplace. We also use "also has diploma in..." Charities may help to get into a place where you help people with similar things, organizing events, etc.. I think it may help, I'm not sure. But that's not where I'd want to work anyway.
Over here there are charities on certain days, like "poor people day" or "work day," etc.. So there's a few charities a couple times a year, mostly combined from high-school students who are made to go there by the teachers. Usually from the better schools.
I've been accused of that more than once, and the conclusion we had in all those discussions was that they thought that if I don't want to do it, I feel disdain for the people who are doing it. I think it's related to Fe types, as they tie things with people.
The underlined parts are true, the bold part depends on who's the employer and where you work. It's true for most construction and storage workers though.
Why do it? It doesn't pass the "useful/useless" filter of mine due to the end result being worse than it is now.
Not as strict as Indian cultures, but yes. The different social classes are very obvious.
Underlined: Exactly!
I can't say I envy those who do enjoy it... I don't feel anything towards those who live better than I do. They do, it's cool with me. So that isn't my reason to want to have a better life.
I can definitely agree on the "taking everything for granted" part... But that's the mentality, personality, not the way you live. Unless you're too illogical to even think about the way you live and act, or if you're one of those who absorb and reflect what other people do without even knowing who you are.