Yeah i agree. INTPs can be distant and hard to read, but they are typically quite unlike a sociopathic profile.
INTPs are more "schizoid" if anything. They can end up shunning emotion/connection in favor of impersonal analysis of everything. If someone does become too detached from their emotions and other people's emotions, yes, they can start behaving in ways that are very hurtful to others, but the psychopathology of the sociopath is much different than the typical INTP.
Most INTPs get frustrated, hurt, angry, whatnot, by society and its restrictions; and eventually can "shut off" their empathy. But they still had it to begin with.
Sociopaths are very different. They are numb to empathy to start with, it seems. Other people are only objects. Sociopaths are completely self-centered, basically amoral and solipsistic in nature. They just do whatever pleases them in the moment; and if someone else gets in their way, they coldly and methodically will remove them. Impersonal, numb, and cold would be good ways to describe it; people are nothing more than scraps of paper to be crumpled up and discarded if inconvenient, and otherwise they can be ignored. It is like the ability to connect, empathize, and understand (and/or care) about others has been burned out of them.
so are sociopaths created or natural born?
By their very nature i imagine accounts by sociopaths are very rare and liers never give true accounts, so is most information on sociopaths restricted to observations by a second party?
can they be cured?
would counceling of this type be only of use to the councelor?
... and do sociopaths realize they are sociopaths?
The sociopath conforms to the norm.My ENTJ friend told me tonight that he thinks I am a sociopath. Any other INTP's in my same boat?
From what little I've read, it seems sociopaths benefit most from counseling that helps them understand how they benefit by obeying laws and basically behaving themselves.so is it natural born? could some traumatic event take place in childhood like the death of a parent, child molestation or later such as rape. An accumalation of events might re-enforce and strengthen the I as apposed to we philosophy.I imagine predisposition would play a vital part in how such traumatic events are taken inward then reflected back.
By their very nature i imagine accounts by sociopaths are very rare and liers never give true accounts, so is most information on sociopaths restricted to observations by a second party?
can they be cured?
would counceling of this type be only of use to the councelor?
From what little I've read, it seems sociopaths benefit most from counseling that helps them understand how they benefit by obeying laws and basically behaving themselves.
But I think sociopaths usually only get diagnosed and treated when they can't figure that out for themselves and wind up in the penal system. I do not think they have had good luck with curing them, just convincing them to try to play well with others.
But I suppose my point is that I think we use the terms too flippantly. And, case in point, if anyone of us met a true sociopath... we would probably straightaway foul our pants.
Funny you would say that. I was undergoing treatment for bipolar II when a therapist helped me realize how destructive my relationship with my mother (possibly sociopathic, who knows?) was. I eventually cut off my relationship with my mom and around the same time my financial situation improved and amazingly, the bipolar appears to be in remission.
I feel like I was on medication because my mom is crazy.
Man this has hit a seriously sore spot! What is it they say about that with INTPs?
What is this frickin procilivity people have today for using major mental/emotional illness terms offhandedly directed at fellow human beings? Its a new form of namecalling to me and irks the holy sh** out of me. Number one... its a logical fallacy and I totally turn off when I hear it done. One I hear tossed around sooo often is "paranoid" (Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others) how the he## can any casual poster know something like that from a simple post? Classifying an "I" as that is IMO f'd up. Where are their friggin credentials? Its a put down, plain and simple... "irrational" indeed! And simply demonstrates the name-callers inability to think and speak rationally themselves.
As for sociopath or psychopath... those are about the most serious diagnoses one can hear. (as in f'n serial killer) Definitely not to be bandied about lightly! I would venture to say that anyone irl calling me that would either get a slap in the mouth or a verbal beating they wouldn't soon forget.
Suffice to say, IMO, unless they're a doctor or the person has shared that intimate information with them, anyone using mental/emotional illness terms referring to another human being is just showing their own ignorance, illiteracy and inflated sense of self-worth... egocentric in the extreme!.. not to mention rude, crude, insulting, insensitive b*strd behavior that really should carry the consequence of them winding up on the f'n floor. :steam:
Edit: I'll take profanity any day over namecalling.:steam:
Oh yeah, FWIW, I don't think any type, including INTP, is sociopathic. I doubt there is even a correlation between any type and sociopathy.
Hey this is almost fun in a weird and useless way.