annnie
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- MBTI Type
- ENTP
- Enneagram
- 4w3
Hello all
I'm going through yet another round of 'developing self understanding' (must be something about getting a year older....
) and hoping some Enneagram insight as well as the MBTI can help out! Any thoughts appreciated...
Very much sure of my ENTP "diagnosis", though I used to come out as INTP on most of the tests (but eventually realised this wasn't correct - I don't think I've 'changed' type as such - but perhaps it used to be less noticeable). Not at all sure of Enneagram type! I've been through most of them -- 5w6 (this was about the time I used to come out as INTP), 6 briefly, 3w4. Pretty much ruled out 1, 2, 9 as a possibility.
Most recently have identified as 4 (specifically 4w3) though in general I seem to recall reading that in general ENTPs "only" come out as 3 or 7 generally (though have come across a website detailing ENTP/ENFP with 3w4 and 4w3 and an 'Inventive' personality style - though website doesn't seem to have been recently updated).
I gather this is quite an unusual pairing so wondering if this is "possible" if unusual or if I should re-consider again!![Blush :blush: :blush:](/data/vbsmilies/blush.gif)
Here's some of the weird things that make me think of 4, though I don't know if they can be correlated to any particular type really.
- (I'm quite ashamed of this....) I have been known to "make up" things to get people to notice me, specifically finding difficulties to make me 'different' and get people talking about it. Not lies that will harm anyone else, but for example: "oh I can't do that cos I have this clause in this contract" sometimes to my detriment. For instance I put off applying for a mobile phone contract (monthly payment type of thing) for over 2 years as I was afraid I wouldn't be accepted on the credit check! But I actually have good credit (verified by the data) and really just wanted to make out to people that "I'm so unfortunate, woe is me, the evil phone company won't give me a contract because of all this stuff [which doesn't actually exist]," (I know that sounds really bad but don't know why I do it or how to stop it!)
- I paradoxically want people to notice how 'different' and 'special' I am
but make out that I want to be admired by people in conventional ways e.g. by academic achievement. It's always on a sort of "meta" level though as in... (quite hard to explain) not just a straightforward "I want to be admired" (or whatever) but more "I want to be seen as the sort of person that's driven by wanting to be admired" or on increased levels to that etc. (Not sure if that makes sense. it does in my head!)
- Done quite a few things academically (degrees etc) that I didn't really want to do but it's almost as if it's an "excuse" to be different and to be noticed by people (more than to be 'admired' as such), I'm coming to the end of some studies now and really feel like being a perpetual student (I also work full time before anyone concludes I'm a serial 'dosser'!) is my "identity" and is convenient to be able to say "Oh i'm the only person that can't do XYZ, cos I have this assignment due..." (This academic stuff is partly what made me think 3w4 originally but don't think I had identified the motivation correctly)
- I went to give blood for the first time as I was curious as to what my blood group was (maybe not the best motive!
) and in the time between giving the blood and getting the "result" (you get notified of your blood group on the first donation here in the UK) I was terrified - in a really fundamental way - that they'd find something odd... I've never worried about 'HIV' etc (as no reason to think I would have it) but more that they would look at the blood sample and find out I had a blood group that had never before been found in medicine..... I worry about this with any diagnostic tests etc. I've been supposed to go back to the doctor for 2 years and haven't been as I'm afraid she will find something much more fundamental (not just 'run of the mill' anxiety which is what she saw me for) wrong...
- I'm concerned to influence my environment and appearance etc to the extent that it reflects the 'real' me (whoever that is...), I don't have great planned out ambitions or anything but if I picture the 'future' me with infinite resources etc it's with a house and everything that is really unique and says something about ME...![Smile :smile: :smile:](/data/vbsmilies/happy-smiley-8464.gif)
- Come off as quite arrogant and snobby to most people (especially those that doesn't know me very well) but in fact I am quite jealous of other people for finding things "easy" and being seen as a distinct person without having to go through all the 'trials and tribulations' (most of which are self imposed) that I have...
- (This is the one that gets me...) I worked in an office and needed a cup for coffee etc to keep on my desk. I spent ages and went to loads of different shops looking for the 'perfect' cup that would somehow encapsulate and represent me to others (Not for its functionality etc but purely for how it represented me)...
Previously I've thought of 4 as quite an 'introverted' type in general (could be wrong though) so am not sure if 4w3 is the correct one, some of the descriptions don't really seem to fit, but then some narratives written by actual people who have this type resonate more.
In a nutshell: Is 4w3 with ENTP possible or is it more likely that I have the type wrong again?
I'm going through yet another round of 'developing self understanding' (must be something about getting a year older....
![Yes :yes: :yes:](/data/vbsmilies/not-tagged-smiley-10089.gif)
Very much sure of my ENTP "diagnosis", though I used to come out as INTP on most of the tests (but eventually realised this wasn't correct - I don't think I've 'changed' type as such - but perhaps it used to be less noticeable). Not at all sure of Enneagram type! I've been through most of them -- 5w6 (this was about the time I used to come out as INTP), 6 briefly, 3w4. Pretty much ruled out 1, 2, 9 as a possibility.
Most recently have identified as 4 (specifically 4w3) though in general I seem to recall reading that in general ENTPs "only" come out as 3 or 7 generally (though have come across a website detailing ENTP/ENFP with 3w4 and 4w3 and an 'Inventive' personality style - though website doesn't seem to have been recently updated).
I gather this is quite an unusual pairing so wondering if this is "possible" if unusual or if I should re-consider again!
![Blush :blush: :blush:](/data/vbsmilies/blush.gif)
Here's some of the weird things that make me think of 4, though I don't know if they can be correlated to any particular type really.
- (I'm quite ashamed of this....) I have been known to "make up" things to get people to notice me, specifically finding difficulties to make me 'different' and get people talking about it. Not lies that will harm anyone else, but for example: "oh I can't do that cos I have this clause in this contract" sometimes to my detriment. For instance I put off applying for a mobile phone contract (monthly payment type of thing) for over 2 years as I was afraid I wouldn't be accepted on the credit check! But I actually have good credit (verified by the data) and really just wanted to make out to people that "I'm so unfortunate, woe is me, the evil phone company won't give me a contract because of all this stuff [which doesn't actually exist]," (I know that sounds really bad but don't know why I do it or how to stop it!)
- I paradoxically want people to notice how 'different' and 'special' I am
![Wubbie :wubbie: :wubbie:](/data/vbsmilies/obscene-smiley-985.gif)
- Done quite a few things academically (degrees etc) that I didn't really want to do but it's almost as if it's an "excuse" to be different and to be noticed by people (more than to be 'admired' as such), I'm coming to the end of some studies now and really feel like being a perpetual student (I also work full time before anyone concludes I'm a serial 'dosser'!) is my "identity" and is convenient to be able to say "Oh i'm the only person that can't do XYZ, cos I have this assignment due..." (This academic stuff is partly what made me think 3w4 originally but don't think I had identified the motivation correctly)
- I went to give blood for the first time as I was curious as to what my blood group was (maybe not the best motive!
![Huh :huh: :huh:](/data/vbsmilies/huh.gif)
- I'm concerned to influence my environment and appearance etc to the extent that it reflects the 'real' me (whoever that is...), I don't have great planned out ambitions or anything but if I picture the 'future' me with infinite resources etc it's with a house and everything that is really unique and says something about ME...
![Smile :smile: :smile:](/data/vbsmilies/happy-smiley-8464.gif)
- Come off as quite arrogant and snobby to most people (especially those that doesn't know me very well) but in fact I am quite jealous of other people for finding things "easy" and being seen as a distinct person without having to go through all the 'trials and tribulations' (most of which are self imposed) that I have...
- (This is the one that gets me...) I worked in an office and needed a cup for coffee etc to keep on my desk. I spent ages and went to loads of different shops looking for the 'perfect' cup that would somehow encapsulate and represent me to others (Not for its functionality etc but purely for how it represented me)...
Previously I've thought of 4 as quite an 'introverted' type in general (could be wrong though) so am not sure if 4w3 is the correct one, some of the descriptions don't really seem to fit, but then some narratives written by actual people who have this type resonate more.
In a nutshell: Is 4w3 with ENTP possible or is it more likely that I have the type wrong again?