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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    This is my ENTP boy's type of humor too. Spot on.

    Except I like to play along or say something in reply.
    I guess you're more creative than me, because I'd say that I'm only able to come up with a witty response 50% or less of the time
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    Yeah well his stuff isn't all that creative, when you really break it down. He's giving me a hard time. I give it back. I think where the Ne kicks in is that as an SJ, we are serious in making our request. What cracks me up is when he just hangs up on me. Totally catches me off guard. But I'm at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I guess you're more creative than me, because I'd say that I'm only able to come up with a witty response 50% or less of the time
    So true... Sometimes husband starts Ne humor, I of course get on it and after a while:
    "Hey Tamske, I was joking, you know?"
    "Er, of course I knew, I was just going along..."
    "Oh I didn't get it, I thought you were serious..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    So true... Sometimes husband starts Ne humor, I of course get on it and after a while:
    "Hey Tamske, I was joking, you know?"
    "Er, of course I knew, I was just going along..."
    "Oh I didn't get it, I thought you were serious..."

    LOL that's so true! It's like after a while I have to stop because we start going too far, and I need to get back to reality. LOL. Not that I have to say that we were joking- I know that. I just have a point where it's like enough!

    Those are the instances that let me know for sure that I'm truly an S. But it's also good to know that my N isn't so lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    With Ne being my primary method of "extroverting" and communicating with others, this is a very interesting thread to read. It always seemed to me that SJ's saw Ne as this strange function that they wanted nothing to do with. But, here you guys are discussing it - and your struggles with it. I wish you guys would use it MORE! Lol.

    IZthe411, just out of curiosity, how do you feel that Ne "wreaks havoc on you"? I mean, when it comes to finding a new job or working on your house, or something big like that, what is the process like for the SJ? And how does Si work in a situation like that? Is it like, "Last time I needed a new job, I went on 5 interviews before I landed a job, so I should be prepared to do the same thing this time." I mean, I don't even see how Si would apply to something like "finding a new job" or "fixing your house". Help me out!

    Another thing about Ne is that it's very adept at making good, efficient decisions without any prior planning and to still stay calm. One thing I see with a lot of the SJ's I know is that when something unforseen happens, they kind of freak out and stress hard. When you're using Ne and something like this happens, you can just say, "Oh that's cool, no big deal, we'll just have to change our plans. Hmmm, how can we do this? Oh, I have an idea, how about we do this instead! Yeah, that'll work!" And as you practice this, you'll see that there really is no need to stress out. Just use your creativity to come up with a Plan B (or Plan C, D, E) and just keep chillin'. No need to stress. I'm not preaching to you guys, just hopefully pointing out how Ne can maybe relieve some stress in certain situations.

    The Si/Ne loop can be very paralyzing. SJs tend to have pessimistic outlooks, tend to think the worst of everything. So when I look at the prospect of something, I can get caught up in the what ifs and the negative outcomes of the what ifs, and end up doing nothing. Like my house. I need some work done. I know I'm going to lay down $thousands, but based on my experience of contractors, most don't keep their word, I tend to become overly cautious, and won't follow through on what could potentially a good deal and a good worker. Like I said, when it comes to smaller things, I've learned to not care, and figure that I'll be okay in the long run. But with bigger things like a house or a job, I want to make the best move and I worrry about what if I don't like the new place? Or I made a big mistake? My confidence is not as high. So while I have decent Ne, it's not on the level of a NP by any means.

    I dont' freak out too much on unforseens. The bigger the impact of the unforseen, though, I will spend a lot of time assessing it, though. Again, it's not part of my memory banks so I have to keep throwing it against the wall and see where it will land.

    As much as I enjoy my ENTP friend, I can see the where a primary Ne outlook can be flawed. He tends to pass over what he considers to be unimportant details @ work, and that gets him in trouble. He'll do a lot of betting at casinos and online for baseball tickets. Sometimes he wins big, and sometimes he won't. He's made some major purchases (house and new car) and really didn't assess the cost. As a compensation, he has 3 roomates to help pay the rent. So while at the outlook it's easier for a Ne dom to say if A doesn't work, then you can do B,C, or D, in reality depending on how and when you realize A isn't working can make it hard for you to do B, C, or D. So I think a balance of the 2 is needed.

    Believe me, I'm an SJ, but I can't stand the stick in the mud types either. All of us aren't like that.

    And I also see that there are a lot of NJs out there, especially NTJs, who demonstrate the same stick in the mud traits as SJs.

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    I give Ne classes.
    Every monday and thursday, 7 pm to 8 pm.
    $50/hour.

    Anyone interested?

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    ^^ lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    I give Ne classes.
    Every monday and thursday, 7 pm to 8 pm.
    $50/hour.

    Anyone interested?

    I need some T with my Ne. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I need some T with my Ne. Sorry.
    In that case, I give Ne classes every Monday and Wednesday (at whatever time is convenient for you). $45/hr. Best deal in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    The Si/Ne loop can be very paralyzing. SJs tend to have pessimistic outlooks, tend to think the worst of everything. So when I look at the prospect of something, I can get caught up in the what ifs and the negative outcomes of the what ifs, and end up doing nothing. Like my house. I need some work done. I know I'm going to lay down $thousands, but based on my experience of contractors, most don't keep their word, I tend to become overly cautious, and won't follow through on what could potentially a good deal and a good worker. Like I said, when it comes to smaller things, I've learned to not care, and figure that I'll be okay in the long run. But with bigger things like a house or a job, I want to make the best move and I worrry about what if I don't like the new place? Or I made a big mistake? My confidence is not as high. So while I have decent Ne, it's not on the level of a NP by any means.
    Yeah, I can relate. You explained it well. Ne can get you thinking about "what if it goes wrong" and then you end up doing nothing.

    I dont' freak out too much on unforseens. The bigger the impact of the unforseen, though, I will spend a lot of time assessing it, though. Again, it's not part of my memory banks so I have to keep throwing it against the wall and see where it will land.
    What I had in mind with the unforseens, is I've had experiences with ISTJ's in particular where they'll come into work and the boss will say something like, "OK, everyone, some things have come up and we're doing everything different today. I need you to help out in this area and I need you to spend some extra time doing *whatever*." And the ISTJ's are like fuming - steam is coming out of their nostrils because it's not a part of their routine and it's not something they saw coming. It's like it stresses them out and throws them for a loop. Another example is something like a family vacation or a big holiday dinner that was all planned out. I have an ISTJ in my family and he will make reservations at some restaurant or hotel months in advance. And if we get there and somehow they never wrote our name down or somehow they don't have our reservation ready, it's like he *can't believe what he is hearing*. My ENTP relative and myself will just look at each other and go, "Oh well. Let's go see what's across the street. I bet you we can find some good food in the next town over. Oh well, it wasn't meant to be. Come on let's go!" It's like the ISTJ relative gets *stuck* on the old thing. The very second I hear that the hotel/restaurant cannot accomodate me at the time I had reserved, I'm already contemplating a new strategy (a plan B) and I'm going to have fun doing it. I'm going to enjoy it. I'm not going to stress it at all. It's inconvenient, but it's not the end of the world or anything. It's just something that happens in life. We try to explain that to the ISTJ, but he still stresses these types of situations.

    As much as I enjoy my ENTP friend, I can see the where a primary Ne outlook can be flawed. He tends to pass over what he considers to be unimportant details @ work, and that gets him in trouble. He'll do a lot of betting at casinos and online for baseball tickets. Sometimes he wins big, and sometimes he won't. He's made some major purchases (house and new car) and really didn't assess the cost. As a compensation, he has 3 roomates to help pay the rent. So while at the outlook it's easier for a Ne dom to say if A doesn't work, then you can do B,C, or D, in reality depending on how and when you realize A isn't working can make it hard for you to do B, C, or D. So I think a balance of the 2 is needed.
    You're right that we tend to overlook details - a lot of the time we do it on purpose - because it bogs us down and pulls time away from the big picture. My ISTJ relative (I'll pick on him again ) - if we go on a trip, he'll spend like 10 minutes trying to look for the cheapest gas station - and he ends up saving like $1.26. To me, I'd rather save 10 minutes and pay the extra $1.26. Because to me, the big picture is that we're on a vacation and we're supposed to have fun together as a family - not spend a lot of time trying to look for bargains. I know another ISTJ - we had this funny thing going on at work - I would borrow his pen on his days off (because I was at his work station) and once in a while (not all the time - maybe once a month), I would lose his cheap, 10 cent pen. And he would seriously get pissed at me. I'd say, "Are you serious? I'll buy you a whole pack of pens tomorrow - do you want a 10 pack or a 20 pack? It's a pen!"

    So, with these guys, as much as I like them, I sometimes just want to say, "So what, I lost your pen. Let's find another pen and let's move on." Or, "just pay the extra $1.26 and I'll give you the difference so it's not out of your pocket. Just please stop focusing on this very small detail that is beginning to take away from the fun. You're focusing too much on it."

    If it's buying a car, yeah, that's a big expense. Better do your homework. But sometimes, even in such cases, I'd rather pay a little more for less hassle. Not thousands more. But, if I have a to pay $500 more to a contractor who doesn't bug me at work all the time and who will leave me alone (unless he has questions) and who has a good reputation for showing up every day and getting the job done in a timely fashion, then "where do I sign?" In that case, I'm not worrying about $500. If contractor A is bidding $15,000 and the contractor with the good reputation is bidding $16,100, then let's just go ahead and get it done for $16,100. Save me the hassle of having to think about it all day. Or maybe I'll try to talk him down a bit to $15,500. Maybe he'll budge, maybe he won't. Either way, he's my guy and I'm going with him and I'm not going to worry too much about the small difference in price (relative to the other guy). Now if he was charging like $5,000 more, then that's a huge problem.

    That's how NP's focus on the "big picture" - it's like, just get the job done well and let's not hold things up for weeks (or even hours) because of a small price difference. Let's just get it done and move forward.


    Believe me, I'm an SJ, but I can't stand the stick in the mud types either. All of us aren't like that.

    And I also see that there are a lot of NJs out there, especially NTJs, who demonstrate the same stick in the mud traits as SJs.
    LOL. Yeah, I wasn't saying you guys are sticks in the mud, just pointing out the differences between our types. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just different ways of looking at things. And hopefully my post pointed out some more of that. But, yeah, thanks for your response!
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