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    Default Is it common for a woman to battle being typed as an NT?

    I know in my Ni that I am a bloody INTJ. I formally tested out as one a decade ago. I have that look, you know? THAT one. I say, "I think" far more than "I feel" and that is just the way it is.

    For three days I thought more or less out loud about this whole MBTI thing and tried to convince myself that I was an INFJ because it seemed 'friendlier'. That's sort of erroneous, anyway. Maybe there are some INTJs that are stone cold logicians that don't give a fig about anything, but that could be true for any type. I was feeding on the propaganda.

    I also took this black and white stance on the whole feeling aspect where I decided that if I possessed any strong ethics or values and a more tolerant view of humanity then that must mean I am an F. That's a weird leap. Besides, Fe and Fi are different and INTJs have Fi as a tertiary function, after all. I think I'm doing alright with my Fi, so maybe that colors things.

    I'm not the emotional genius I want to be, and it is pointless trying to fool myself. I know that INTJ is and was correct. I'm done mulling it.

    But my question is: Have any of my fellow female NTs had the same sort of warped reaction to their type? Or am I just all disjointed? (The latter could be true, a friend died of an overdose just a week ago and I am dealing with a heavy health thing that endlessly irritates me because it messes with my equilibrium)

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    I think that a lot of more emotionally oriented or emotionally aware NTs may try to resist being typed as one because a lot of the time the descriptions are so one dimensional in general; many of the type's strengths show up in the individual rather than in the description IMO. The description describes what it is, and the person shows how it's used; and that's where it matters (and can also get very confusing, you could use your NT functions to deal with people for instance, and it may work well, so you might be inclined to think you're an F for example).

    It also doesn't help that women are basically expected to be some kind of SF generally; so cultural pressures would make being an NT woman difficult and maybe hard for some to conclude depending on their orientation toward society.
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    It would likely depend on her individual experiences, upbringing, attitudes, etc. Personally, I can't say I ever disliked the NT descriptions or felt bad about them. I knew it didn't match the social expectations of women, but I always thought those were stupid anyway.

    I did have some confusion over it for a while, because of stereotypes (Ts are rock-steady and emotionless), black & white test questions and things like that. I could always think of examples where I "made a decision based on emotion" (they were usually crappy decisions, but I still did it) or when I thought compassion was more important than justice. So I kept questioning. It took learning more about the theory and interacting with people here before it was clear I was a T.

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    well, there's two simple principles one can notice:

    1. (T>F)s are more inclined towards "i can't feel what i don't think" then they are towards "i can't think what i don't feel".
    2. from my own scetchy 'study' known as asking Fi-users around, i noticed (Fi)'s are more inclined to base their values on their upbringing and internal expectations then they are inclined to notice the expectations of others. both are value-based, but the source is different (and can actually - IMO in some people - be somewhere in the middle).

    if those apply to you, your probably an xNTJ. if only the later applies to you, you might be an xNFP.

    if you have both introverted & extroverted intuition, both introverted & extroverted thinking, limited extroverted feeling and extroverted sensing... your doctor house. congratulations, the MBTI says your not supposed to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Roses View Post
    I know in my Ni that I am a bloody INTJ. I formally tested out as one a decade ago. I have that look, you know? THAT one. I say, "I think" far more than "I feel" and that is just the way it is.

    For three days I thought more or less out loud about this whole MBTI thing and tried to convince myself that I was an INFJ because it seemed 'friendlier'. That's sort of erroneous, anyway. Maybe there are some INTJs that are stone cold logicians that don't give a fig about anything, but that could be true for any type. I was feeding on the propaganda.

    I also took this black and white stance on the whole feeling aspect where I decided that if I possessed any strong ethics or values and a more tolerant view of humanity then that must mean I am an F. That's a weird leap. Besides, Fe and Fi are different and INTJs have Fi as a tertiary function, after all. I think I'm doing alright with my Fi, so maybe that colors things.

    I'm not the emotional genius I want to be, and it is pointless trying to fool myself. I know that INTJ is and was correct. I'm done mulling it.

    But my question is: Have any of my fellow female NTs had the same sort of warped reaction to their type? Or am I just all disjointed? (The latter could be true, a friend died of an overdose just a week ago and I am dealing with a heavy health thing that endlessly irritates me because it messes with my equilibrium)
    No. Here's why. Regardless of your type, no where is it said that you are unable to develop the less dominant traits simply because you are INTJ.. Would it be easier for me as a female if I was >insert furry and warm F type? I dunno. Maybe. Do I care? No. With age has come the ability and desire to develop the warm fuzzy side but I never lost any INTJ-ness and I don't want to. I would like to become the well rounded person I am clearly capable of being, as can anyone who wants to. Truthfully, I think I got the much better end of the deal when it comes to personality and I'm sure the F's feel the same way.
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    These were excellent responses and totally in line with what I was trying to get at/to. Mane, those statements apply. I feel confident in Introverted Intuition, Extroverted Thinking and Introverted Feeling. How I use them is how I use them. I just felt resistant of that bad robotic stereotype. Ceecee, thanks. That's exactly the way I am looking at it. I just rankle at black and white typing and INTJs seem to get a lot of that. Of course, I am sure the rest of the types also think that about their own type. I don't mind being an INTJ because that is what I am. That has not changed in the 10 years since I last took an MBTI, and is not likely to change, now.

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    this threads reminds me of a conversation i've had once with an ENTJ - that rather then projecting the NT/NF masculinity/femininity dillema on herself, brought it outwards - she was saying that while its entirely normal for NT males to find NF females attractives, its less to do with NFs complimenting NTs and more to do with viewing NFs as more feminine, and that for her and NF male would be too feminine for her.

    i later found that it can sort of be applied to my ex-marriage, where i saw a lot of my INTJ 8w9 father in my INFJ 8w7 ex-wife, as an almost more feminine version...

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    You know, my last two lovers were INTJs or INTPs. Well, that is to say...probably one of each. Though possibly the same. They are both INTs as well, at any rate. I would have to think on their distinctions. I can see your friend's point of view. This whole thread has me on about something again, though. More or less inconsequential in regard to my query, however. I'm an INT. Of this there can only be certainty. Now I'm on about really looking at the way Ti and Te function, as well as Ni and Ne. I need someone who is absolutely excellent at breaking down the two types to appear. Or I just need to investigate when I am not faded out from not sleeping all night so as not to oversleep through class again. At any rate, the inner workings of MBTI is still new to me, even though I first typed a long while back. I don't think I bothered to understand what it all meant, at that time.

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    Ah, I see you and ceecee being similar flavors, yes. This seems right. And you couldn't be in better company.

    Just by the way, INFJ often says "I see." We're not F doms; we're visionaries. But I only say "I think" when I'm being hesitant, which is not the same way INTJs typically use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenon View Post
    It would likely depend on her individual experiences, upbringing, attitudes, etc. Personally, I can't say I ever disliked the NT descriptions or felt bad about them. I knew it didn't match the social expectations of women, but I always thought those were stupid anyway.

    I did have some confusion over it for a while, because of stereotypes (Ts are rock-steady and emotionless), black & white test questions and things like that. I could always think of examples where I "made a decision based on emotion" (they were usually crappy decisions, but I still did it) or when I thought compassion was more important than justice. So I kept questioning. It took learning more about the theory and interacting with people here before it was clear I was a T.
    I'm a female (although I've been mistaken for a male on here!) and I agree with all of this except I'm not as clear on the T. T/F are pretty close and I relate alot to certain aspects of F.
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