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    So, ask me Socionics junk and I may be able to answer. Don't ask me to type you or someone, though.

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    Well, people get mad if you don't type them how they see themselves instead of how you see them lol.

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    Well, people get mad if you don't type them how they see themselves instead of how you see them lol.
    I wouldn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    So, ask me Socionics junk and I may be able to answer. Don't ask me to type you or someone, though.
    I have two questions.

    1. I generally have thought that my Socionics type is the same as my MBTI type except the last letter reflects if the person is a dominant perceiver or judger. So as an INTJ, I'm an INTp in Socionics. An ISFJ would be an ISFp. An ESTJ would be an ESTj. An INTP would be an INTj. How accurate is that as a general rule? When are there exceptions? I know there are different tests out there for Socionics - when would they show a different result than an MBTI or cognitive function assessment?

    2. What exactly is the difference in the interpretation of the meaning of the cognitive functions when comparing Socionics to the definitions by people like Nardi, Berens, Hartzler or Thompson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I have two questions.

    1. I generally have thought that my Socionics type is the same as my MBTI type except the last letter reflects if the person is a dominant perceiver or judger. So as an INTJ, I'm an INTp in Socionics. An ISFJ would be an ISFp. An ESTJ would be an ESTj. An INTP would be an INTj. How accurate is that as a general rule? When are there exceptions? I know there are different tests out there for Socionics - when would they show a different result than an MBTI or cognitive function assessment?
    It depends on the situation surrounding the person and their typing. An initial distinction between typing by assessment and typing by functional analysis in MBTI needs to be known. Typing by assessment is the most accurate way to determine MBTI, as that is what “MBTI Type” actually is. When an individual takes the assessment, it tells the individual what dichotomies they are currently operating in; however, it has no bearing on the situation in which the individual was assessed. The individual could be in an emotional equilibrium, stressed, angry, etc. The individual could be in public, at work, in private, or with family. Without knowing the situation surrounding the individual, nor their emotional state, all you will know is the mentality in which they are currently operating. Typing by functional analysis has no ability to transfer over from just knowing the person’s claimed typed, because it was determined based upon unknown criteria. So, first, one must know these things prior to attempting a conversion.



    Within Socionics, you have elements, functions, blocks, superblocks, dimensionalty, etc. Socionics, as an ILE-based system, has 3-dimensional Introverted Thinking (structural logic, system logic). The 3rd Dimension is one which contains Situations, Norms, and Experience Parameters (yes, this may seem Greek). If you follow that the authors of MBTI were, indeed, INFJ and INFP, then they would have the same dimensionality for each of their elements (regardless of how you transfer between systems on any J/P stuff). Both IEI and EII have 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking. The 2nd Dimension contains Norms, and Experience. Norms Parameter is the ability to compare to the norms and standards of society. Within MBTI, and a lot of other typology tests, you have a 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking, structural logic, and system logic, which utilize the four dichotomies to compare the individual’s mindset to others to fit into the system classifications. However, as in the previous paragraph, this does not consider the Situation in which the individual was assessed. Be it MBTI or Socionics test, if it does not consider the Situation surrounding the test, then it will not give Socionics TIM. Situations Parameter is capable of going one dimension higher than Norms Parameter and considering the various situations that exist surrounding Norms Parameter and adapts to these various Situations. By going from a 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking system, such as MBTI assessment, to a 3-dimensional Introverted Thinking system, you move into the realm of Situations, and can develop a system that shows through which Norms (MBTI Type) an individual will operate within based upon the Situation.



    Individuals are capable of operating for any length of time in any of their Socionics Functions. Each Function is merely a Situation. Each function has varying degrees of energy use, stress induced, pleasure created, lethargy, whatever, etc. to it.



    These functions are arranged into blocks:

    Ego: conscious product in society, low energy use, confident state

    Super-Ego: conscious necessities in the face of society, high energy use, stressed state

    Super-Id: preconscious individual desires to be received from society, high energy use, pleasurable and childlike state

    Id: preconscious individual activity, low energy use, lethargy state



    An individual may type under Norms as being LIE (Te-), but if the individual is predominated by moderate levels of stress, the individual would actually be operating in the Situation of the Super-Ego, placing their correct TIM as ESE or SEI. Without considering the appropriate Situation, all indications to both the individual and others would indicate LIE (Te-). The various descriptors of the Blocks can be used to narrow down the correct TIM.



    These blocks are arranged into superblocks:

    Mental: conscious thought in society

    Vital: preconscious automation and individuality



    By definition correlations, Mental is most similar to Judging and Vital is most similar to Perceiving. An individual could be in one of their two strongest Socionics TIM’s functions while taking an MBTI test and test in MBTI as P, which would place them as operating primarily in their Vital, and, in this case, most likely their Demonstrative Function.

    2. What exactly is the difference in the interpretation of the meaning of the cognitive functions when comparing Socionics to the definitions by people like Nardi, Berens, Hartzler or Thompson?
    I don’t actually read those authors or researchers, so I would have to be provided with their definitions to translate it into Socionics. Keep in mind, there’s no centralized “Socionics,” so a lot of everything I write concerning Socionics is conglomerations of their various logics, keeping the best quality pieces and making casual determinist connections.

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    Thank you for this thread! I don't understand Socionics much, and it's less known than the other type theories (at least in America), so it's nice to have someone who is knowledgeable.

    Can you explain what Si is? And can you explain the difference between Fi and Fe? This is obviously Socionics functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    It depends on the situation surrounding the person and their typing. An initial distinction between typing by assessment and typing by functional analysis in MBTI needs to be known. Typing by assessment is the most accurate way to determine MBTI, as that is what “MBTI Type” actually is. When an individual takes the assessment, it tells the individual what dichotomies they are currently operating in; however, it has no bearing on the situation in which the individual was assessed. The individual could be in an emotional equilibrium, stressed, angry, etc. The individual could be in public, at work, in private, or with family. Without knowing the situation surrounding the individual, nor their emotional state, all you will know is the mentality in which they are currently operating. Typing by functional analysis has no ability to transfer over from just knowing the person’s claimed typed, because it was determined based upon unknown criteria. So, first, one must know these things prior to attempting a conversion.



    Within Socionics, you have elements, functions, blocks, superblocks, dimensionalty, etc. Socionics, as an ILE-based system, has 3-dimensional Introverted Thinking (structural logic, system logic). The 3rd Dimension is one which contains Situations, Norms, and Experience Parameters (yes, this may seem Greek). If you follow that the authors of MBTI were, indeed, INFJ and INFP, then they would have the same dimensionality for each of their elements (regardless of how you transfer between systems on any J/P stuff). Both IEI and EII have 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking. The 2nd Dimension contains Norms, and Experience. Norms Parameter is the ability to compare to the norms and standards of society. Within MBTI, and a lot of other typology tests, you have a 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking, structural logic, and system logic, which utilize the four dichotomies to compare the individual’s mindset to others to fit into the system classifications. However, as in the previous paragraph, this does not consider the Situation in which the individual was assessed. Be it MBTI or Socionics test, if it does not consider the Situation surrounding the test, then it will not give Socionics TIM. Situations Parameter is capable of going one dimension higher than Norms Parameter and considering the various situations that exist surrounding Norms Parameter and adapts to these various Situations. By going from a 2-dimensional Introverted Thinking system, such as MBTI assessment, to a 3-dimensional Introverted Thinking system, you move into the realm of Situations, and can develop a system that shows through which Norms (MBTI Type) an individual will operate within based upon the Situation.



    Individuals are capable of operating for any length of time in any of their Socionics Functions. Each Function is merely a Situation. Each function has varying degrees of energy use, stress induced, pleasure created, lethargy, whatever, etc. to it.



    These functions are arranged into blocks:

    Ego: conscious product in society, low energy use, confident state

    Super-Ego: conscious necessities in the face of society, high energy use, stressed state

    Super-Id: preconscious individual desires to be received from society, high energy use, pleasurable and childlike state

    Id: preconscious individual activity, low energy use, lethargy state



    An individual may type under Norms as being LIE (Te-), but if the individual is predominated by moderate levels of stress, the individual would actually be operating in the Situation of the Super-Ego, placing their correct TIM as ESE or SEI. Without considering the appropriate Situation, all indications to both the individual and others would indicate LIE (Te-). The various descriptors of the Blocks can be used to narrow down the correct TIM.



    These blocks are arranged into superblocks:

    Mental: conscious thought in society

    Vital: preconscious automation and individuality



    By definition correlations, Mental is most similar to Judging and Vital is most similar to Perceiving. An individual could be in one of their two strongest Socionics TIM’s functions while taking an MBTI test and test in MBTI as P, which would place them as operating primarily in their Vital, and, in this case, most likely their Demonstrative Function.



    I don’t actually read those authors or researchers, so I would have to be provided with their definitions to translate it into Socionics. Keep in mind, there’s no centralized “Socionics,” so a lot of everything I write concerning Socionics is conglomerations of their various logics, keeping the best quality pieces and making casual determinist connections.
    To be honest, I'm having a very hard time understanding all of this. I know MBTI and cognitive functions very well but not Socionics. Is there a more basic description somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    To be honest, I'm having a very hard time understanding all of this. I know MBTI and cognitive functions very well but not Socionics. Is there a more basic description somewhere?
    Ah, sorry. I wrote that with the assumption that you had read a fair bit already. Socionics is a collection of individuals and schools applying logical structures to their abstract viewpoints of people and the world around them. There is no linear, universal structure outside of the most basic Model A, which really isn't any much better than MBTI as far as being so abstract that it really doesn't explain much at all as far as concrete details go. Everyone in Socionics has a viewpoint, and all of them are at least slightly different, so you wind up with tons of information that is often contradictory or overlaps itself in contrary ways. They all provide individual impressions of reality. I read a ton, checked society for objective information, and, in MBTI terms, let's just say that I Ni'd(?) the piss out of a whole lot of information on impressions of reality to get much closer to the shared reality behind them.

    For basic information, you'll have to use a bit of google translate on some of these:
    Socionics from novice to expert | School of System Socionics
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...v/publications
    Socionics - International Institute of Socionics

    Or I could just write stuff, doesn't matter to me.

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