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    The Varieties of Religious Experience

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    As far as the title of this thread, "varieties of truth", don't exist.
    Who knows? Perhaps the varieties of truth don't exist but, "The Varieties of Religious Experience", by William James is in your library.

    "The Varieties of Religious Experience", is a beautifully written study in human nature. And might appeal to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
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    if I added a clause to the opening post forbidding idiotic statements, could I then report certain evidence and have it removed from my thread?
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Dear moderators,

    if I added a clause to the opening post forbidding idiotic statements, could I then report certain evidence and have it removed from my thread?
    It might become something everyone who starts a thread feels entitled to, and then we would be enforcing everyone's demand to shape discussions as they see fit. Try starting a discussion group. You can be the admin and you can make it invitation only, to help you get the specific kind of exchange you are looking for.
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    I think of truth as accuracy. All the metaphysical stuff just confuses people.
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    Truth and falsity are properties of propositions. A proposition is true if it corresponds to the facts, and otherwise it is false.

    The statements 'Jupiter is larger than the Earth' and 'Earth is smaller than Jupiter' are different, but both exemplify the same proposition. Likewise, my belief that Jupiter is larger than the Earth is not the same thing as your belief that Jupiter is larger than the Earth, but both are about the same proposition. Propositions are abstract things. You cannot find propositions in the physical world, neither in books nor in peoples' brains, but only structures that exemplify them.

    All truths are universal and objective. A proposition which is "true" for some people but "false" for others is merely false. A true proposition tolerates no exceptions, by definition. A counterexample to any proposition entails its falsity, however small the deviation from the facts. What is true is true for everyone, or else it was never true in the first place. The inherent universality and objectivity of truth is why it is valued so highly and can serve as a common goal for rational discussion.

    True propositions exist independent of our beliefs about which propositions are true. We may be right or we may be wrong. Whether a proposition is true and whether we know it to be true are separate issues; the absence of certainty or knowledge does not entail the absence of truth.

    A proposition may be verisimilar or truthlike. One proposition may have a higher degree of verisimilitude than another. For example, both propositions exemplified by the statements 'Jupiter is two times larger than the Earth' and 'Jupiter is ten times larger than the Earth' are false, but the latter has a higher degree of verisimilitude, i.e. it is closer to the truth. There is no precise way to quantify verisimilitude. Propositions entail other propositions, and every proposition has infinitely many logical consequences. Therefore, to entail any false proposition is to entail infinitely many.

    The idea of "theories of truth" is nonsense. The question 'which theory of truth is true?' is rather facile. We can, of course, define the word 'truth' as something other than correspondence to the facts, but then we have just discreetly changed the subject. Usefulness and coherency are relevant to truth, but they are weaker standards and less precise ends. If pragmatists, coherentists, or whoever want the word 'truth', then they can have it. Words are not important, because 'troof' and 'thalzity' are fine substitutes.
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    My apologies if my philosophy partially if at all applies but in my own experience there are only two truths, "what actually happened" and "what someone retells what happened."
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
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    The idea of "theories of truth" is nonsense. The question 'which theory of truth is true?' is rather facile. We can, of course, define the word 'truth' as something other than correspondence to the facts, but then we have just discreetly changed the subject. Usefulness and coherency are relevant to truth, but they are weaker standards and less precise ends. If pragmatists, coherentists, or whoever want the word 'truth', then they can have it. Words are not important, because 'troof' and 'thalzity' are fine substitutes.
    Are you a scientific realist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Are you a scientific realist?
    What?
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    What?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_realism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    What kind of answer would you like? An answer that corresponds to the facts? An answer that is useful for some purpose or other? An answer that is coherent? Maybe an answer that the people of Typology Central can reach a consensus on? Perhaps you're a paraconsistent logician, in which case my answer is both yes and no. Oh what fun!
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