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    Quote Originally Posted by Jae Rae View Post
    Is this Fi or Fe?

    A friend emails to ask if we can take a walk. I explain that I'm using a skin cream that 1) irritates my skin which 2) causes people to stare. I suggest we get together for coffee at her house instead.

    In response she says she has to check her schedule because she still has to clean her classroom before she goes away for a few days on Saturday. [Wait - didn't you just ask me for a walk?] I say it sounds like she's too busy now, we can try when she comes back.
    I don't know if that's Fe, per se, but it is pretty lousy.

    This friend seemed to want to do her part and schedule seeing you, sometime during the day, prior to her leaving on Saturday. She had no intention of altering, or modifying your "time-slot" and when she was suddenly hit by your "news" as to why you couldn't join her for a walk, she immediately realized that she couldn't really hang out with you and blunderingly tried to find some stupid excuse as to why she couldn't.

    Bleh, she kinda sounds like she sucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jae Rae View Post
    Another friend, when she hears about the skin issue says "Of course."
    I definitely want to say that this is an example of Fi, (though it could be an example of Fe, too).

    If I were your friend and *wanted to actually see you and spend time with you* and asked you if you'd like to go for a walk, to hear your reasonings as to why you couldn't, I would totally be open to do our hanging out during the evening, totally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jae Rae View Post
    Is this Fi or Fe?

    A friend emails to ask if we can take a walk. I explain that I'm using a skin cream that 1) irritates my skin which 2) causes people to stare. I suggest we get together for coffee at her house instead.

    In response she says she has to check her schedule because she still has to clean her classroom before she goes away for a few days on Saturday. [Wait - didn't you just ask me for a walk?] I say it sounds like she's too busy now, we can try when she comes back.

    Another friend, when she hears about the skin issue says "Of course."
    both could be Fe or Fi, although the first sounds a little more likely Fi and the second a little more Fe. but either the internal or external standard could be assumed for those feelings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    both could be Fe or Fi, although the first sounds a little more likely Fi
    Please explain why you think this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jae Rae View Post
    Is this Fi or Fe?

    A friend emails to ask if we can take a walk. I explain that I'm using a skin cream that 1) irritates my skin which 2) causes people to stare. I suggest we get together for coffee at her house instead.

    In response she says she has to check her schedule because she still has to clean her classroom before she goes away for a few days on Saturday. [Wait - didn't you just ask me for a walk?] I say it sounds like she's too busy now, we can try when she comes back.

    Another friend, when she hears about the skin issue says "Of course."
    It seems to me that Friend A was probably wanting to go for a walk, and could have used some company. Maybe even asked you as an impromputu thought. When you suggested coffee instead, she was probably still planning on going for a walk, but since you wanted to hang out anyway, she needed to figure out when she could get together with you and have time to chat.

    For her, it was more about the walk, and for you, it was her asking you to do something together. That's my guess. It sounds like something I'd do, honestly. For the record, I would definitely have sympathy for the skin cream thing, though.

    I don't know if it's an Fe/Fi thing, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    I don't know if it's an Fe/Fi thing, though.
    I agree. I don't really think this is an Fe/Fi thing, more of her being focused more on the walk itself it seems than sharing your company.

    I would have agreed to the coffee and chat.

    EDIT: Maybe there is a reason she didn't want to go back to her house, it is a mess or her husband is home in bad mood, etc. May not be about you at all, something going on with her at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    It seems to me that Friend A was probably wanting to go for a walk, and could have used some company. Maybe even asked you as an impromputu thought. When you suggested coffee instead, she was probably still planning on going for a walk, but since you wanted to hang out anyway, she needed to figure out when she could get together with you and have time to chat.

    For her, it was more about the walk, and for you, it was her asking you to do something together. That's my guess. It sounds like something I'd do, honestly. For the record, I would definitely have sympathy for the skin cream thing, though.

    I don't know if it's an Fe/Fi thing, though.
    That's how I would interpret the situation as well. It's not an Fe/Fi thing at all - just prioritising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck Yuck!

    I tried to intuitively imagine what that would be like and it made me sick. It is still speculative, but I guess I can see where you are coming from. And upon reflection, I suppose that absorbing feelings from others could also be considered speculative.

    But that does explain a lot of things. Like the last time I saw protesters at a Gay Pride parade, they were trying so hard to convince the gay people that they were unhappy because they were gay. I wanted to know how they could be so certain how others feel and now I know. Fi is scary.
    Kiddo, do you realize that not all Fi dom people have prejudice against gays? You seem fixated to prove that they are.

    There is a big leap between saying one can feel empathy for a person having their neck cut open and their life's blood drained away and saying that they assume a gay is unhappy and want to force him to change. Most Fi dom are too lazy to go chant at protests like that anyway, they would rather be home reading or daydreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Please explain why you think this.
    well, it seems more likely that personal unconscious tendencies would lead to that kind of feeling than the current external standard.

    but more likely is that there's an interplay of functions, and that behavior cannot be solely attributed to feeling. so i guess it's really a moot point, as are most points comparing one function in a vacuum to another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Where does it say in Jungian philosophy that sensitivity is an inherent part of feeling?
    I have posted a small portion of his definition of Introverted Feeling:

    Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10



    Psychological Types

    C. G. Jung (1921)
    Translation by H. Godwyn Baynes (1923)



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    4. The Introverted Feeling Type



    ....A superficial judgment might well be betrayed, by a rather cold and reserved demeanour, into denying all feeling to this type. Such a view, however, would be quite false; the truth is, her feelings are intensive rather than extensive. They develop into the depth.

    Whereas, for instance, an extensive feeling of sympathy can express itself in both word and deed at the right place, thus quickly ridding itself of its impression, an intensive sympathy, because shut off from every means of expression, gains a passionate depth that embraces the misery of a world and is simply benumbed. It may possibly make an extravagant irruption, leading to some staggering act of an almost heroic character, to which, however, neither the object nor [p. 494] the subject can find a right relation.

    To the outer world, or to the blind eyes of the extravert, this sympathy looks like coldness, for it does nothing visibly, and an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces. ..

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    I spent some time with a wizened, bisexual ENFP last night, and I think I have a grasp of what Fi is now.

    He challenged me to contemplate my nonexistance, and that fact that I could not do so, despite the fact that I could not express why, is undoubtedly the essence of Fi. In fact, even Ayn Rand's axiom of "Existence exists" made sense from that perspective. It could probably even be argued that Fi is a different play on Rene Descartes. "I feel, therefore I am."

    He then argued that his life is about his choices and anyone else's choices are incircumstantial. but he explained that does not negate that he cares about people or the choices they make, only that other's choices are irrelevant to his existence. The most important thing to him is his choices, because he believes they dictate his happiness. From an Fe perspective, that seems somehow cold, but from a Ti perspective, it seems incredibly realistic.

    I can see why Fi users would consider Fe to be superficial by comparison. Fi is integrated at the core of a person's existence, and everything that is and ever will be of that person, as well as any choice a person ever makes in his or her life, is derived into the essence of Fi. It is feeling of indescribable depth, beyond reason or consideration because it is found entirely within the indisputable existence of the individual. What is observed as "egocentric" by the Fe, is actually feeling which is derived from the actual awareness of self. In fact, I can't think of a better way of describing the two...

    Fi= feeling derived from consciousness of self
    Fe=feeling derived from consciousness of others

    That isn't to say that Fi isn't aware of others, but only that it is aware of others through its awareness of self. Which makes sense to me since I conceive my awareness of self through my awareness of others. Or in other words, how I percieve others percieve me, provides my perception of myself.

    I can't really decide which would be superior to the other since they are so fundamentally different. If you are talking about identity, as in the character and attributes that are composed and asserted from a person's very entity, then Fi is superior. If you are talking about interdependence, as in how everything and everyone is connected and how those bonds are nurtured through self control and dedication to ideals, then Fe is superior.
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