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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogie man View Post
    You are stuck in the past. Depression is a disorder. Nothing to do with type. Your "resources" don't mean anything. People with unhealthy states of mind are more likely to suffer from depression, regardless of type.

    But by all means, keep on spouting cheap stereotypes.
    Cite?
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    Type 4. Jesus Christ, constant self-doubt and impossible standards never leave us alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Hysteria View Post
    Type 4. Jesus Christ, constant self-doubt and impossible standards never leave us alone
    If you want to use single words and attribute them to types, self-doubt would be more "6" and impossible standards would be more "1." Neither of those would be 4 specific. Of course, types are beyond one-word phrases, but if you're going to use them, at least attribute them to the right types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Cite?
    Cite what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogie man View Post
    Cite what?
    I gave you sources, which you did not read, so that you had a well to poison.

    You don't even give me a chance to poison your well.
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    "Some characteristics of the 4-Romantic include an appreciation of aesthetics and creativity, compassion, humor, dignity, valuing what’s authentic, and the love of beauty. The other side of this type includes feeling depressed, being self-absorbed, behaving overly dramatically, longing, and being moralistic."
    Are You an Enneagram Type 4, the Romantic? | Psychology Today

    Hmmm, looks like it IS on topic, given all the Enneagram sources that link 4 to depression. To claim otherwise would be off topic, a matter for debate in some other thread.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    Personality - Causes of depression - Depression - Black Dog Institute
    At the Institute we believe that personality and temperament contribute to depression, particularly non-melancholic depression. Certain personality types are more at risk of developing depression than others."

    Would you like some more off-topic posts?

    If you don't want off-topic posts (and I seriously doubt that you care about it), then don't post things that lead to thread drift.
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    And, here's some more off-topic for you:
    Personality and Depression: Explanatory Models and Review of the Evidence
    "A variety of models of the relation between personality and mood disorders have been proposed (e.g., Akiskal et al. 1983, M.H. Klein et al. 1993, Krueger & Tackett 2003). These proposed relations include: (a) personality and depressive disorders have common causes; (b) personality and depressive disorders form a continuous spectrum; (c) personality is a precursor of depressive disorders; (d) personality predisposes to developing depressive disorders; (e) personality has pathoplastic effects on depression; (f) personality features are state-dependent concomitants of depressive episodes; and (g) personality features are consequences (or scars) of depressive episodes. The distinctions between some of these accounts are subtle (cf. Kendler & Neale 2010), and other models, as well as combinations of these scenarios, are plausible. However, these seven models provide a useful conceptual framework for approaching the issue."
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    I gave you sources, which you did not read, so that you had a well to poison.

    You don't even give me a chance to poison your well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    "Some characteristics of the 4-Romantic include an appreciation of aesthetics and creativity, compassion, humor, dignity, valuing what’s authentic, and the love of beauty. The other side of this type includes feeling depressed, being self-absorbed, behaving overly dramatically, longing, and being moralistic."
    Are You an Enneagram Type 4, the Romantic? | Psychology Today

    Hmmm, looks like it IS on topic, given all the Enneagram sources that link 4 to depression. To claim otherwise would be off topic, a matter for debate in some other thread.
    You are perpetuating stereotypes on type 4. Your resources are outdated and are only looking to maximize web-traffic by mentioning overused medical conditions. I don't need to give you resources about this nonsense. Depression is a disorder. This isn't up for debate.

    Linking a disorder to type is a cheap way to sell books. It sounds fancy. Disorders are trending. It is cheap and low. Show me the studies behind these conditions + type and you may be offering something to the discussion. This, however? Trash. The worst kind.

    For you to keep on linking this disorder to type 4 is poison to the Enneagram.
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    "In the same vein, a 2002 study published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research found 74% of introverts made up the depression population. And a perfectionist personality has too been linked to depression and anxiety."
    Am I Depressed? The Types Of People More Prone To Depression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogie man View Post
    You are perpetuating stereotypes on type 4. Your resources are outdated and only looking to maximize web-traffic by mentioning overused medical conditions. I don't need to give you resources about this nonsense. Depression is a disorder. This isn't up for debate.

    Linking a disorder to type is a cheap way to sell books. It sounds fancy. Disorders are trending.

    For you to keep on linking this disorder to type 4 is poison to the Enneagram.
    You have no sources. Try again with some sources.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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