The French Presidents

[Speed Gavroche]

My provisional guess.

Charles De Gaulle: ENFJ 8w7 So/Sx.

George Pompidou: ENTP 8w7 Sp/So

Valery Giscard d'Estaing: INTJ 1w9 So/Sp

François Mitterand: ENTP 7w8 So/Sx

Jacques Chirac: ESFP 7w8 So/Sx

Nicolas Sarkozy: ESTP 8w7 So/Sx

François Hollande: ISFJ 9w1 Sp/So

Any ideas, folks?

 

[Sol_]

François Hollande - INTP

 

[Speed Gavroche]

I meant -good- ideas.

 

[Winds of Thor]

What about Jimmy Carter? Oh wait..he was an American one.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

What about Jimmy Carter? Oh wait..he was an American one.

ISFJ 3w4 So/Sp.

 

[segovois]

Just my guess :

Chirac = ESFP
Sarko = ESTJ (meaby ESTP)
Hollande = ENFP - not a strong N

Speed, i think i know you

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Just my guess :

Chirac = ESFP
Sarko = ESTJ (meaby ESTP)
Hollande = ENFP - not a strong N

Speed, i think i know you

Hé Segovois, salut!

Welcome on this forum.

Hum, Sarko is too muck versatile for an ESTJ. I can see ENFP for Hollande, but he's not a typical one.

 

[segovois]

You must be right for Sarko, he's so much risk taker and fast to act : he must be ESTP.
I think it was his need of control and power that leaded me to ESTJ (but ESTP can be too) - and his conservative side

I'm sure in private, Hollande can be a very silly ENFP

 

[Speed Gavroche]

You must be right for Sarko, he's so much risk taker and fast to act : he must be ESTP.
I think it was his need of control and power that leaded me to ESTJ (but ESTP can be too) - and his conservative side

His conservative side is fake. For the most part. He performed himself as a critic of the "post-68ard" decadence and its hedonistic values. But that comes from a guy who divorced two times and married three times, including with a former supermodel who is not even french. As a Type 8 ESTP he was brutal and had some bullshit in his head. But he has not the conservative, stable life of an ESTJ. He was above all a versatile man, and a pragmatist.

I'm sure in private, Hollande can be a very silly ENFP

He is. According to some videos I have saw of him joking with his socialist comrades. Also, he remind me a bit Murray Rothbard physically, who was an ENTP. I can see ENFP, but I can also see ESFJ, with a tertiary Ne making him more silly when it's time to be.

 

[segovois]

His conservative side is fake. For the most part. He performed himself as a critic of the "post-68ard" decadence and its hedonistic values. But that comes from a guy who divorced two times and married three times, including with a former supermodel who is not even french. As a Type 8 ESTP he was brutal and had some bullshit in his head. But he has not the conservative, stable life of an ESTJ. He was above all a versatile man, and a pragmatist.

You won, and if i voted for him, it's because, deep in myself, i knew he was not a real conservative.
Even so his ideas present the conservative wing of the moderate right in France. (no correlation with his personality - i'm OK)

He is. According to some videos I have saw of him joking with his socialist comrades. Also, he remind me a bit Murray Rothbard physically, who was an ENTP. I can see ENFP, but I can also see ESFJ, with a tertiary Ne making him more silly when it's time to be.

He has always been known for being the funny man in "PS" - with a very intelligent humor.

But honnestly, how can you see Holland in J ??

 

[Speed Gavroche]

You won, and if i voted for him, it's because, deep in myself, i knew he was not a real conservative.

The irony of this is that I did not vote for him because I have been deterred of this by people who said he was a racist dictator or something. Deep inside I knew it was ridiculous, but well, eventually, I did not vote at all.

He has always been known for being the funny man in "PS" - with a very intelligent humor.

But honnestly, how can you see Holland in J ??

He gave me the impression to be routine-bonds in some sort.

But on the other hand he made big and expensive projects in Corrèze, ruining the finance of the department at the same time. Sounds dominant Ne/inferior Si.

ENFP for him is very credible actually. Well, I will keept that option in mind, seems to be the most credible so far.

 

[segovois]

eventually, I did not vote at all.

Congratulation

He gave me the impression to be routine-bonds in some sort.

But on the other hand he made big and expensive projects in Corrèze, ruining the finance of the department at the same time. Sounds dominant Ne/inferior Si.

That's because he's a stupid socialist, being an ENFP don"t save from everything

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Congratulation

Yes, every candidates sucked.

I'm a libertarian, so it's normal that I don't vote like most part of them.


[/quote]That's because he's a stupid socialist, being an ENFP don"t save from everything [/QUOTE]

The thing is that I thought his socialism alone could explain why he ruined the department. Not necessarly because he is inferior Si. But eventually, I think he is truly ENFP.

 

[Orangey]

OMG Hollande is very much ISFJ.

Sarkozy could be ESTJ or ENTJ.

 

[segovois]

I'm a libertarian, so it's normal that I don't vote like most part of them.

Speed I love you !!
We just have to wait for the Madelin come back..

OMG Hollande is very much ISFJ.

Can u explain why ISFJ ... I find it hard to anderstand.
He seems disorganised, not to serious, open to change, a bit unreliable and versatile : it's not the idea i have of an ISFJ

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Speed I love you !!
We just have to wait for the Madelin come back..

Ah, I see you are one too.

There's a few others here. I like Madelin but I don't expect too much his return.

Can u explain why ISFJ ... I find it hard to anderstand.
He seems disorganised, not to serious, open to change, a bit unreliable and versatile : it's not the idea i have of an ISFJ

He is a passionless bureaucrat and is very emphatic and very oriented to people. Sounds Si-Fe, but I thought he was Fe-Si-Ne and repress Ti. He has not Ti at all, Te, also, is not apparent, while we could expect it would be the case with an ENFP.

Also, physically, he doesn't match at all with the typical picture which comes to mind when we think about an ENFP. But I guess that maybe ENFP are not always exuberant, sexy, emotionaly volatile, versatile and wild looking like a gay icon like Freddy Mercury.

 

[segovois]

Libertarian in France are not very common (unfortunatly), and F ones are very rare.
Most of them are Ne or Te dominant imo, ENTP are over respresented.

I don't really see Hollande as a passionless bureaucrat ... i rather feel him as a disorganised man.
i ask if his reputaiton of "Flamby" - from his physical - gives a wrong image of him.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Libertarian in France are not very common (unfortunatly), and F ones are very rare.
Most of them are Ne or Te dominant imo, ENTP are over respresented

The test have been published and this frech libertarian forum. Most members were tested as NT, with a dramatic over representation of the INTx. : http://www.liberaux.org/topic/4314-type-de-personnalite-des-liberaux/

I don't really see Hollande as a passionless bureaucrat ... i rather feel him as a disorganised man.

I think he is passionless and disorganised actually. But yeah, he is funny.

i ask if his reputaiton of "Flamby" - from his physical - gives a wrong image of him.

It's not only from his physical look, but also his slow moving and non-forceful style.

 

[WorldSocionics]

My Diagnostics team are currently working on typing the French Presidents in Socionics.

We are currently very sure of the following:

Francois Mitterand - IEI

Jacques Chirac - SEE

Nicolas Sarkozy - LIE

Francois Hollande - SEI

For Charles De Gaulle, we're not too sure yet, but trying to work it out between ILI and ESI.

So, not too different from these MBTI suggestions,in most cases, pretty much the same.


I've been trying to type Pompidou, but am having great difficulty getting any good information on him. Do you guys have any observations that could be helpful? Why are ENTP and ESTJ suggestions?