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I was wondering: lately they had a documentary about apes on television. There were those capuchin apes who hang out on trees all day and chill. But then when the falling tide comes and the little pond under them runs dry thy go down and grap clams. They cant open the clams so they spend hours hitting and rubbing them on trees until they open.
The reporter said: this is atypical for apes, since they are like all ADS-aggrieved and cant concentrate on shit for more than 2 seconds. But those apes have the ability to abstract and to imagine that there will be tasty calm meat inside and that becomes their driving force or motivation to continue with their work.
I found this to be a good description of intuition. However I told the story to an isfp friend of mine and he said that this mustnt be because the apes are so good at abstracting, it could be too that they just learnt over the years the clams have tasty meat inside and then copied this behaviour over generations. He had a point with that.
So I was wondering how intuition can be defined. You maybe all know the concept of induction and deduction and since I am not religious, I think induction only works in physics. And even there it's not real induction, the "appearing-out-of-nowhere" of an electromagnetical field while inducing an electrical current is probably a mere result of a quantum process we yet dont understand. Or any other process, let's call it "OJ-Simpson-process".
So I was wondering: have humans the ability to abstract ? I think so, I dont even think abstraction is very magical or complicated it's just the clear imagination of the end product while still being in the design process. So all fundamental changes dervived in physic for example are they a reasonable result according to their time ? So a thing that could be learnt because the basic conditions were right and someone just had to add 1 and 1 to come up with the result.
Or is there like a pool of ideas, like a weak force or an ability to induce in our brains we havent really developed yet and that enables us to have ideas flow from the subconciousness into the conciousness randomly according to unknown stimuli and let us perceive new things. Like the theory that states we as humans are part of the universe and we dont know how dependant that makes us from it. Like all the universe's knowledge could be coded into our DNA or our way of thinking is automatically aligned with the way the universe works. We would have the ability to think differently from what the universe would want from us, yet we would never stick to long with such train of thoughts because it is not in our nature to not think not exactly in the way the universe works.
Does someone understanhd this, I dont ?! Nevertheless, would like to hear your thoughts
The reporter said: this is atypical for apes, since they are like all ADS-aggrieved and cant concentrate on shit for more than 2 seconds. But those apes have the ability to abstract and to imagine that there will be tasty calm meat inside and that becomes their driving force or motivation to continue with their work.
I found this to be a good description of intuition. However I told the story to an isfp friend of mine and he said that this mustnt be because the apes are so good at abstracting, it could be too that they just learnt over the years the clams have tasty meat inside and then copied this behaviour over generations. He had a point with that.
So I was wondering how intuition can be defined. You maybe all know the concept of induction and deduction and since I am not religious, I think induction only works in physics. And even there it's not real induction, the "appearing-out-of-nowhere" of an electromagnetical field while inducing an electrical current is probably a mere result of a quantum process we yet dont understand. Or any other process, let's call it "OJ-Simpson-process".
So I was wondering: have humans the ability to abstract ? I think so, I dont even think abstraction is very magical or complicated it's just the clear imagination of the end product while still being in the design process. So all fundamental changes dervived in physic for example are they a reasonable result according to their time ? So a thing that could be learnt because the basic conditions were right and someone just had to add 1 and 1 to come up with the result.
Or is there like a pool of ideas, like a weak force or an ability to induce in our brains we havent really developed yet and that enables us to have ideas flow from the subconciousness into the conciousness randomly according to unknown stimuli and let us perceive new things. Like the theory that states we as humans are part of the universe and we dont know how dependant that makes us from it. Like all the universe's knowledge could be coded into our DNA or our way of thinking is automatically aligned with the way the universe works. We would have the ability to think differently from what the universe would want from us, yet we would never stick to long with such train of thoughts because it is not in our nature to not think not exactly in the way the universe works.
Does someone understanhd this, I dont ?! Nevertheless, would like to hear your thoughts