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[ISFJ] How can make an ISFJ fall in love with me again? <3

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Because of that?

Just to be clear, I didn't ask you to explain or justify yourself, which means you misunderstood, or did it for yourself. Maybe that can be insightful.

ETA: you're new here, idk your exposure to typology, but this forum is full of threads like this and the minset behind them.

Consider the following exercise: reading threads on a typology forum about people, relationships, and type, descriptions and testimonies, resonating with the contents one begons pigeonholing behaviour and expectations, maybe getting a sense of understanding of typology and users from the community.

Then one day, that user who's personalitu and behavior you believed to know and understand so well - perhaps even related, or feel attracted to - changes their type, and now all that theory turns into a belief that needs to be challenged.

Maybe you don't relate to this anecdote yet, but given enough time that might change.

If this was a general counseling forum, naturally one would ask/add details for better understanding and tailored advice.
The typology modifier creates a false replacement and simplification for that.
People and relationships don't fit in a box.
 

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Too much words and trouble for something simple: An ISFJ's put, an opinion, on a clear subject.

Communication failed on patronising.
 

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You're asking us a question only he can answer himself.

Case closed.
 

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Why can't you just talk to him about this since you talk so much already? So he's avoidant which means ______ when thinks about sharing himself with you. (Fill in the blank)
 

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Based on this thread, I would GTFO of the relationship. Too much control, your way or highway.

Why not listen to yourself as you already have the answers.
 

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I really wonder if you all understand what I have asked.
Never mind guys and gals.
You just made me to realize that most people, online, don't even try to understand what they read (or they don't even read) using intuition and empathy, they just tend to answer on what they think not on what they really read and love to criticize.
It is a common pattern. :)

My man and I we will manage to fix our relationship since he wants that too; we will find the way. :)

Thank you all for this experience. :)
Much love to you all. <3
 

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Hi [MENTION=27254]Cristina[/MENTION]. I have been following but not responding to your post. I keep coming back to it because it’s your first. Also, I feel for your confusion.

I am an ESL Teacher and think part of the disconnect between the feedback you were hoping for and what you have received is found in language. I don’t mean to insult your English skills in any way - you are highly proficient. Still, when English is a second language - shades and nuances can be important.

Others have ‘schooled’ you on respecting feedback from all types and that’s important in a place where commonalities exist but individual expression is vital :)

Before I begin I would love to see an answer to this question posed by [MENTION=25403]ZombieNinjaPirate[/MENTION] Why can't you just talk to him about this since you talk so much already?

I am puzzled why (given the time scope and depth of your connection) you are not able to ask him in a direct manner. Or if you have, what has his response been?

Unfortunately, the late years we lost our communication due to the difficult situations that I faced which are putted me in a weird phase of my life, emotionally and intellectually.

You later provide more understanding (There are many other factors that make things difficult. Economic crisis in our country, there are no jobs there, health problems, his job is not permanent and soon he will be with no job, my health problems that make things difficult right now and so on.)

I am sorry that you have experienced illness. My Father is ill so I know that health issues can be draining on a relationship. Money is one of the largest stressors in a relationship also and I sympathize with the difficulty the economic factors have brought.

That created an undesirable distance between us. Plus we live in different countries the late 3 years, but our relationship was a LDR since the beginning, though we were daily in contact through sms, phone calls, Skype, etc.

How often were you able to interface IN PERSON during the LDR? Yes, they are sustainable thru technology etc. but have unique challenges and will wilt without in person interaction. I understand the challenges involved in your situation. I am asking for facts to flesh out your experience.

If you all think that is manipulation, then you probably have never been in an important relationship that you are willing to do whatever it needs to make things work again, to fight for this love, to fix the relationship instead of throw it away with no effort. To make your the other half to be completely happy again.

Statistically alone, it is unlikely that no one among your responders would have been in an important relationship that required effort :) Give the good folks credit ;)

Manipulation can often be used as a negative word. However, manipulating muscles during massage is positive. So, you needn’t immediately infer this as an insult to your circumstance. To consider if manipulation is positive/negative requires examining the intent behind such and the realistically expected results.

In post #17 you twice refer to making the other person happy. Impossible. Can we greatly contribute to someone’s happiness? Fo sure!

We cannot be personally responsible for their happiness. Happiness is intangible and subjective.

I understand it may have looked at one time like you did make him happy. Love is great for splashing feel-good emotions across the canvas of life. But, in any long-term relationship, partner's have to be content within themselves to offer quality companionship.

I am willing to even destroy the security and stability that I have hardly managed to create in my life in order to be with him...
But I cannot be with him if he is not in love with me...


Huge beeping alarms sounding off in my head when reading this. You are willing to perhaps up-end your life for a situation that could be unfulfilling and for someone who currently is adrift emotionally? I am not saying you don’t need to care for him but take care of yourself first, Friend! Like in an airplane when the oxygen masks come down…make sure your health, life situation and emotions are stable before offering other's assistance and don't make sacrifices that could be potentially dangerous.

What could I do to bring the spark in his heart again? To bring the spark in our relationship again?

Nothing. If humans had found a way to make another love them, it would be patented, commercialized and sold in every corner store. Seriously, this isn’t in your power. I’m sorry.

I feel that he is waiting me to do something for him that could make him feel sure and secure, something important maybe, something big...

Bigger than: being supportive, willing for him to entertain thoughts of love for another, travelling a distance to see him?

Btw, there is a huge difference between "I love you" and "I'm in love with you".

This is your own statement and requires further consideration. There ARE so many kinds of love. Even more than you mentioned (philia…) Friends can love one another with the same intensity or to the same degree as the love that exists between child and parent or lovers.

Which leads me to a question that I pose more from my own experience. I also at one time was very heavily invested in someone I had been with for some time. He was 6 years older and I envisioned us spending the rest of our lives together (as we had discussed extensively). It didn’t work out and I was initially devastated.

Eventually I had to ask myself: Am I more heart-broken over the loss of the relationship and romantic love with this person or am I more disappointed with the LOSS of all I had hoped for?

It’s an important distinction. At that time I couldn’t imagine ever loving anyone else and honestly got angry when other's suggested such. But, I have since and those relationships were even more fulfilling.

Why are you willing to accept this situation? Is it possible you could do with finding a bit of your own happiness or spark?

I know this is hard stuff but be willing to ask yourself difficult questions. Life is precious and having a fully drawn experience is worth it.

{Sidenote: In post #22 [MENTION=6723]phobik[/MENTION] offers insight that is succinct and worthy of consideration. If you can, read it again and try to discern what is really being said.}

HUG :hug:
 

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My question is how I can make him fall in love with me again. I want to spend the rest of my life with him... He is my Twin Flame and we both felt that from the very first moment, 11 years ago...

The only way I can think of making it work is to live together in the same place. Seems like a lot of the issues relate to LDR.
 

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people in relationships are like cats, they're gonna like who they're gonna like and like we can't get a cat to not walk over our faces while we are asleep, we can't get another person to love us.
 

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You're also asking very specific advice. [MENTION=23583]21lux[/MENTION] is the only ISFJ male I know of on here. There are only a few ISFJs on here in the first place, let alone guys. Let other people offer input.

*coughcough* Don't mind me, sitting over here, all alone listening to my Bryan Adams songs... *coughcough*

Also: Rather than dogpile on the OP with everyone else, I will attempt to answer her central question: How do I make an ISFJ fall in love with me?

My first half-serious answer would be: Make him delicious food he can actually eat. I say half serious because I'm lactose intolerant and when my INFJ wife was pursuing me, she made me a bunch of lactose-free pastries and baked foods I could actually eat. This may sound small to some of you, but I hadn't eaten a chocolate cake in YEARS by that point, so it was definitely endearing and got my attention.

More serious answer: You can't make him do anything he hasn't already committed to doing. You CAN:

1) Be close to him, physically and emotionally
2) Talk to him
3) Make plans with him
4) Spend time with him

After that...it's up to him. He's got to be a big boy and decide if he wants to do this or not and he does, then he needs to shit and got off the pot already. From reading your posts, it sounds to me like's not sure of what he wants and that's screams, "DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!" to me (complete with robot voice).

I really do hope for the best as it sounds like you're getting jerked around, but I get the feeling you're asking for some kind of magic-bullet-cupids-arrow to pull him back to you...and I've never known it to work that way.

But...that's just this particular ISFJ males opinion. Take it as you will.
 

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I really wonder if you all understand what I have asked.
Never mind guys and gals.
You just made me to realize that most people, online, don't even try to understand what they read (or they don't even read) using intuition and empathy, they just tend to answer on what they think not on what they really read and love to criticize.
It is a common pattern. :)

My man and I we will manage to fix our relationship since he wants that too; we will find the way. :)

Thank you all for this experience. :)
Much love to you all. <3

your man aka someone you met when he was 22, who lives in another country, you walked away from, and has since moved on with his personal and emotional life, until you decided to pursue again after 3 years with a grand gesture, challenging his new life, and expecting things to go back in time? :coffee:
 

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*coughcough* Don't mind me, sitting over here, all alone listening to my Bryan Adams songs... *coughcough*

Also: Rather than dogpile on the OP with everyone else, I will attempt to answer her central question: How do I make an ISFJ fall in love with me?

My first half-serious answer would be: Make him delicious food he can actually eat. I say half serious because I'm lactose intolerant and when my INFJ wife was pursuing me, she made me a bunch of lactose-free pastries and baked foods I could actually eat. This may sound small to some of you, but I hadn't eaten a chocolate cake in YEARS by that point, so it was definitely endearing and got my attention.

More serious answer: You can't make him do anything he hasn't already committed to doing. You CAN:

1) Be close to him, physically and emotionally
2) Talk to him
3) Make plans with him
4) Spend time with him

After that...it's up to him. He's got to be a big boy and decide if he wants to do this or not and he does, then he needs to shit and got off the pot already. From reading your posts, it sounds to me like's not sure of what he wants and that's screams, "DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!" to me (complete with robot voice).

I really do hope for the best as it sounds like you're getting jerked around, but I get the feeling you're asking for some kind of magic-bullet-cupids-arrow to pull him back to you...and I've never known it to work that way.

But...that's just this particular ISFJ males opinion. Take it as you will.

Sorry I missed you! Sometimes it's hard to keep track of all the members, let alone their types. :(
 

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We were apart because we live in different countries and our life situations weren't easy to meet each other as we wanted, the problem wasn't that for us. We managed to talk daily to each other.
The problem was that I accidentally distant myself emotionally from him and we slipped in this weird phase.

Can anyone answer my question except to judge our relationship? :)

My first guess is that the LDR -- in different countries, at that !! -- is the determining factor. Is there any way either or both of you could move?

Second -- and sorry, this may hurt. But I have very little to go on. ISFJs tend to be unspeakably loyal: until you take "that one step too far"...

so the question is (and you are in a position to know him better than I am)...of your recent gyrations, did any of those go too far? And he sought emotional ...well, not recompense, but call it "refueling" or 'affirmation" in the presence of another woman. Or maybe it was just the continued day-in, day-out physical proximity.

I must confess, though, I find it VERY odd that he would have any kind of physical intimacy with you if he were in love with someone else. ISFJs generally just don't tick like that.

Best wishes.
 

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My first guess is that the LDR -- in different countries, at that !! -- is the determining factor. Is there any way either or both of you could move?

Second -- and sorry, this may hurt. But I have very little to go on. ISFJs tend to be unspeakably loyal: until you take "that one step too far"...

so the question is (and you are in a position to know him better than I am)...of your recent gyrations, did any of those go too far? And he sought emotional ...well, not recompense, but call it "refueling" or 'affirmation" in the presence of another woman. Or maybe it was just the continued day-in, day-out physical proximity.

I must confess, though, I find it VERY odd that he would have any kind of physical intimacy with you if he were in love with someone else. ISFJs generally just don't tick like that.

Best wishes.

Guilt about the effort to visit him/trying to please/reciprocate/confused/holding on to/being remind of the past/future promises? :rly???:

Unless:
 
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