wildcat
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I see now we are in a real mess, old boy. The fault is entirely mine, though.Right I know you don't like me splitting posts but I'm going to go through this a little more piecemeal to see if I can find the divergence between our thinking.
Question #1 would be "Add what?" but I think that's irrelevant.
The average result of the functions is meaningless as the primary is divided sixteen ways, as is the secondary and so on. Unless you figure in the percentage portion of population with each type then you'd end up with a flat line on your graph showing nothing.
I am intuiting that perhaps a better word would be pattern or base pattern (okay that's a phrase but you know what I mean... I hope). The basic pattern as we were discussing those many moons ago on MBTIc as it was produced some of the most helpful thinking on processes I've encountered but it wasn't regarding numbers or what total you get if you add them all up (I presume that works for you to help you remember and/ or understand but to me it's just a number). My personal gem that I found during that conversation was the identifying of what "switches" existed.
Say you started with ESTJ you'd have
Te Si Ne Fi
okay now flick the E/I switch and go to ISTJ
Si Te Fi Ne
okay so flick the E/I switch back and flick the S/N switch instead, making ENTJ
Te Ni Se Fi
Now flick that back and flick the P/J switch making ESTP
Se Ti Fe Ni
That kinda shows how the whole system runs and so from a fixed starting position you can progress to any other types function order. However you have to know one function order first.
If we could work from that then we should be able to produce a concise method of working out function orders from types.
In the words of the famous ENTP "well you started it".
Why were you quoting 9 as the answer if it has no place?
Okay you lost me there.
I believe your thinking that the whole thing about fence posts and fence panels is leading to the idea that the distance between two fence posts is relevant..it's not.
Count to 7.
1,2,3,4,5,6&7. 7 is the last number and there are 7 numbers there. However that would be counting the fence panels.
To count the fence posts, depending on your philosophy, it's 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7. That's still ending in seven but it counts eight numbers because it acknowledges your starting position and that you do touch on eight numbers when counting to seven.
Does this clear things up a little?
I have difficulty to get rid of the asperger notion that everybody knows what is in my head. And therefore the expression is slippy at time.
English is the language of idioms, yes. The 9 has a place. It is the odd piece.
With the average I mean the majority. The idea of a parlamentary democracy is that it represents the majority. When you look at the cognitive processes thread, you see what is the majority function order for INTP.
The majority function order has significance because it represents the media.
The average.
In Germany at one time the majority of people were for Hitler; we could say that the average opinion was that Hitler was good for Germany.
I take a train in Travemunde and go to Bremen.
1. Station: Travemunde.
1. Stretch.
2. Station: Lubeck.
2. Stretch.
3. Station: Hamburg.
3. Stretch.
4. Station. Bremen.
The Travemunde Station is not a zero station. It exists. I know. I have been there.
You are right. If we know the one base pattern we know them all.
The difficulty is to agree about the one