Debaser
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- Dec 22, 2013
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- MBTI Type
- xNTJ
I wouldn't say there are no arguments for the Joker being a F. The Joker's goal is to show people's immorality. That's how I interpret the movie and I think this is based more on internal values than logical reasoning.
No, it wasn't. His goal was to show that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MORALITY. I repeat: "Their morals, their code... It's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble." It's not that he thought people are immoral and he disproved of it because he is moral himself and was driven mad by the rest of the world's immorality, it's that he is a psychopath who does not believe in morality at all and cannot possibly understand it because he does not have any feelings or values. Again, all he wanted to do was "watch the world burn" because he thought morality was phony and nothing more than an act - a "bad joke" - and that all people were like him deep down. The only difference was that he didn't make any pretensions of possessing morality. And that's all he thought it was - pretensions that would be quickly overcome by survival instinct and logic. Hence why he held an experiment to test this theory in a very ENTP-like way.
And stop with this "internal values," "logical reasoning," "Fi," "Ti" crap. For one thing, you can't type functions based solely on observed behavior, especially not in a fictional character. That's backwards. And for another, The Joker used a lot of logical reasoning in, for instance, the speech he gave to Harvey Dent and his encounters with Batman. What he didn't do, and indeed did the exact opposite of, is imply that he had any internal values that he made decisions based on. Moreover, what he really desperately wanted most was for people to make sense, and their values, morals and feelings made no sense to him. And, again, MOST IMPORTANTLY, there is absolutely no way the Joker would score as an F on an MBTI test. Never.