^magic follows laws in the fictional realm, but those laws are not transparent to anyone, which mirrors our real world situation within the sciences. If you screw up a spell cast or forget a component in ADnD, interesting things can happen....
The question here is what does the term Magic signify? I say, "power". Science in the real world and magic in the fictional both enable great powers and abilities. I don't think it's that far of an analogy to make but maybe my Ti is on hiatus or something
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But it took many more than 5 years to develop the atomic bomb, plus the time to build the first one, then to invest in the means of producing them on a broader scale, so the time scales are not that dissimilar. One can also stockpile them for quicker use, like spells on scrolls or in in magical items.What's a myth is how quickly one can achieve those effects described with all the labor and machinery involved in development. If science were magic, casting/preparing an atomic bomb spell would take 5 years or longer not very prompt, is it?
This thread seemingly makes little to no sense.
Magic is nothing more than science that is not yet understood.
That phrase rubs me the wrong way. Preferred statement:
Magic is a combination of unexplained science and fantasy.
Why use the term 'magic' at all?
And what does "magic that works" really mean? If it works, it follows physical laws. If it follows physical laws, how is it magic?
I'm just confused.
But it took many more than 5 years to develop the atomic bomb, plus the time to build the first one, then to invest in the means of producing them on a broader scale, so the time scales are not that dissimilar. One can also stockpile them for quicker use, like spells on scrolls or in in magical items.
Science and magic have at least one thing in common: imagination.
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It depends on the specifics of your definitions of "science" and "magic". By mine, it's false. Science isn't a body of knowledge, or a set of things that work (like Liquid Laser says, that's technology). Science is a process of making conclusions based on objective evidence. Magic's definition varies depending on the mythology you're coming from, but it's generally in the mystic realm, and as such is pretty much the direct opposite of science.
Interesting .. I've always viewed science as reaching the desired conclusion based on subjective evidence (ie, one's opinion).
Please correct me if i am wrong here .. But do scientists receive funding based on an idea they have but yet to know what the conclusion is .. Are scientists allowed to be creative?
The scientific method's just that -- a method to find out what links causes to effects. An incantation is a statement (cause) that itself that it supposed to lead to an effect. Of course, using the scientific method to try and prove the value of incantations usually (if not always) proves them false . It's not like comparing apples and oranges... it's more like trying to compare a set of driving directions to your (imaginary) flying car.To put it another way: what's the meaningful difference between the scientific method and a magical incantation?
That's because I don't believe in magic although I love reading fiction novels that incorporate it.Almost.
It does all depend on one's definitions. You are correct that science is a process, a way of knowing about the world around us. But there are other ways to gain knowledge about the world, some of them involving faith and mysticism. People who practice magic (and I don't mean stage illusion) are attempting to effect change in their world, and primarily in themselves. In this way, it is almost more analogous to technology than to science. Magic might be considered the technology of mysticism.It depends on the specifics of your definitions of "science" and "magic" By mine, it's false. Science isn't a body of knowledge, or a set of things that work (like Liquid Laser says, that's technology). Science is a process of making conclusions based on objective evidence. Magic's definition varies depending on the mythology you're coming from, but it's generally in the mystic realm, and as such is pretty much the direct opposite of science.
One is a method, the other a result. An incantation would be the equivalent of a chemical formula, or an engineer's lookup table, something invoked to produce a specific result. Both require prior study and investigation (of different types) to develop and validate.To put it another way: what's the meaningful difference between the scientific method and a magical incantation?
Is this good . . . or is it time to invoke my cloaking device*?You're officially on my radar
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