visaisahero
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Incidentally, can anybody see the similarities between Marilyn Manson, Yoko Ono and Lady Gaga?
Incidentally, can anybody see the similarities between Marilyn Manson, Yoko Ono and Lady Gaga?
Robert De Niro is an INFP, but your point is correct, some fantastic character actors (such as YouTube - Premonition of Sir Alec Guiness ) are/were INFJs.
Getting back to MM, the two most obvious questions you have to ask are
1) What is this person's extroverted function?
2) Does this person extrovert or introvert feeling?
Obviously, in some cases, if you answer the first you answer the second...
That they are Se over Ne? (regardless of how high up the order it is)
INFJ gone crazy is my vote. Read up on "the real lady gaga" before she became lady gaga. We are talking julieard shit! --> well mannered pianist --> MTV extra reality wannabe --> "sell out" (though I actually like her music) total Se whore....hmmm introverted person who is an N, who now wants to be cool...hmmmm INFJ!!! Fe-Se N dom!
I personally think these threads are retarded when people try and dig out functions. Unless you are the person being typed, function typing is WORTHLESS. Interaction styles + temperament are the only hope. ESTP and ENTJ are both directing and in-charge for example --> worthless to ascribe directing behavior to Te dom only...
I personally think these threads are retarded when people try and dig out functions. Unless you are the person being typed, function typing is WORTHLESS. Interaction styles + temperament are the only hope. ESTP and ENTJ are both directing and in-charge for example --> worthless to ascribe directing behavior to Te dom only...
Madonna's an ESTP, so it is possible to confuse the two, but of course ETJs are far more directive and definitive than ESTPs. An ESTP perceives Se realities in an objective or dispassionate fashion, an ETJ issues objective organizing judgments based on their perceptive function. There is overlap most clearly on answers requiring concision.
The fact that Madonna extroverts feeling is another tip off to her not being an ETJ...
Of course, it is possible that some people create a persona which is only "taken off" in the privacy of their own home--but that's highly unlikely, and with Madonna and most public figures, you've got hundreds of pages of interview material to work with...
I can imagine that Madonna would be an ExTJ and I don't know anything about Sioxsie Sioux, but Lady Gaga is certainly not an ENTJ. If you asked me, I'd say she's an INTP too, in almost the same manner as Manson. She is introverted and creates a larger-than-life persona to 'hide' behind. Lady Gaga is not so much an artist as she is an idea; I wouldn't say the same for Madonna. They are two VERY different personalities, the only similarity being that they're both larger-than-life: but in very different ways, and for very different reasons.
I am very certain that Lady Gaga wouldn't want to be Madonna, given the chance. She considers Yoko Ono to be an influence.
INFJ 4w5 So/Sp.
Can you elaborate on this typing? From what I understand, INFJs tend to be gentle, terrible at lying, and mostly incapable of holding long-term grudges -- none of which fits Marilyn Manson.
Where on earth have you been getting your information on INFJs?
Linda Berens, Nicholas Lore, Otto Krueger, Janet M. Thuesen, and an INFJ messageboard. Actually, I could see Twiggy Ramirez (Manson's bandmate) as an INFJ before I could see Manson as one. Twiggy was bizarre and uncommunicative in earlier interviews, but now that he's soberish he's opened up a lot, and he comes across as warm, shy, and enthusiastic. He also avoids the spotlight, and he lets Manson talk for them whenever possible (but will sometimes hop in with an off-the-wall quip). Twiggy also appears to have the patience of a saint, as he's been best friends with Manson since their teens and rejoined him after a six year estrangement period and they've been all over each other ever since.
More relevent links:
Marilyn Manson's Diary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9MnKKTrN4k
This peek into his personal life shows Manson is primarily solitary; he prefers staying home and painting to going out, and when he does go out, he and Twiggy sneak into a theater to see The Exorcist (as I mentioned before, Marilyn Manson is a cinephile).
Marilyn & Twiggy on Reznor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD4_zwroQI4
A brief example of Manson quipping when given a question he wasn't expecting (with bonus Twiggy humor: "I had to shave his back!").
My apologies! The Priscilla Russo interview is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zKBgQaeE4 (Repeat: graphic language).
eNTJtrying to create an INxP-esque image. He's always felt very contrived to me.
I notice Ni-dom and Ni-aux artists like to create elaborate images for themselves (often appearing very SP visually - thinkMadonna, Lady Gaga, Siouxsie Sioux - allENTJsNJs, IMO, but appear SP on the surface.).