BlackDog
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I don't disagree but would add that in a perfect world there may be less of a difference, in some family dynamics the difference may be less noticeable (e.g. my daughter is a 9 but being raised by a 7w8 is more assertive than you would expect from a 9). My perception and experience has been that for female INFJs societal expectations reenforces and reaffirms their worst qualities where as for males it challenges those same qualities and forces them to adjust and grow.
Could you elaborate more on these 'worst qualities'? If you are talking about a tendency toward disconnect with the real world, then I think you might have something. I know that in the traditional environment I grew up in, a lack of groundedness in males is not really going to work. I haven't ever experienced non-traditional environments, and also I've never known a female INFJ in childhood in either type of environment, so I don't know if this holds true for them.
Female INFJs, please comment?
For whatever reason my experience with INFPs while I would think would be the same proves opposite as the INFP females I know seem to do better and the males seem to "adjust" with often times more passive aggressive behaviors or having a more extroverted sensor persona. Clearly these aren't "rules" but my observations.
Well, that is a hard one. I haven't known any confirmed INFPs in real life, and online I've only heard them on interaction videos. I think that the traditional INFP modus operandi would not be well received in males, but of course that is equally true for INFJs. INFJs are fairly plastic, but perhaps INFPs are less so due to Fi. I am really not sure . . .
With INFJs females I've experienced the same exact issues over, and over, and over with them flat out denying it, as if they reinvent reality. I actually was in the INFJ facebook group and commented on some observations along these lines. Interestingly enough one girl was hugely offended and defended INFJs with vigor swearing an INFJ could never. The funny thing was she didn't know I was using a different facebook name and I was the guy she'd been cheating on her boyfriend with (I didn't know, she was lying to both) years earlier. When I responded to tell her who I was (not what had happened out of respect for her privacy) she actually talked to one of the INFJ admins in the group and had me kicked out.
Deservedly, I want to say. You don't sound very trustworthy after an admission like that. Why were you using different names on FaceBook? She probably thought you were stalking her, or something.
Think about the INFJ poster children, Jesus, Sam Harris, Gandhi, MLK, all men.
Almost all the poster children of every type are men. Men have done most everything in recorded history; only in the last ten or fifteen years has it become likely that history-making events will be driven by a woman. Given that INFJs are supposed to do 'social change' as their big thing, that's a pretty historical thing, and there just aren't that many opportunities for it to happen. So we'll have to wait before we start using something like that as evidence.
Some would argue that even today, women are far less likely to be in the leadership positions that get written up as 'history changing'. We'll have to see society change a bit more; give it another twenty years and we'll see what things look like.
Mind you, this isn't directed towards any single person but my experience with INFJs. If you notice, there are a couple INFJs that are very well regarded on TypeC and post often yet have stayed clear of this thread (or any thread where I'm noting these observations for that matter) completely, want to take a guess at why?
Well, I'm not 100% sure of being an INFJ, and I'm not well regarded on TypoC because I don't necessarily have enough technical knowledge yet for that, but I'll take a shot at your remarks . . .