Well, BlueWing, it
seems more like you're just using every method in the book to convince yourself, and possible even others, that you're right.
That's really not the same as seeking to learn.
If I'm right about this, then you are making a mistake characteristic of one of your functions. No, not Thinking. I mean Intuiting. You have the idea that you just spring up in your head, and then you devise "reasoning", and do "observations", that really serves no other aim then to confirm what you've already thought of. Freud was one of the worst perpatrators of this.
If you are really seeking to learn, then you're supposed to let the debating process build the idea. Not whip up the idea, and then go through the whole debating process defending and pushing it. That would be persuasion, not learning.
You're complaining about what are effectively the subjective qualities of Feeling, but you forget that while Feeling is the subjective mode of judgement, Intuition is the subjective mode of perception, and you are succumbing to the worst kind of Intuitive subjectivity.
I have a very strong feel you're right! Both of you, you and Edahn! This may change when I wake up this morning in 2 hours! Yes, Intuition is a subjective mode of judgment, or perception, whatever it will feel to me then!
Obviously if I want to learn I dont just state an idea and think about it, I seek to find out whatever most people FEEL the answer is, and change accordingly!
Yes, yes it is all about the overwhelming need for acceptance, this is why we talk ideas in the first place, for the 'social need' as Edahn very eloquently puts it! The social need eclipses all other needs one may have, it is the underlying drive for all our activity, no matter how much anyone may deny this, I have a very strong FEEL this is it. Absolutely! Every other 'need' we may have is but a disguise for this one! Its a disguise for this 'dirty impulse'. Logical rigor, careful thought..etc..its all obviously non-sense. It is all a matter of Feel after all! Everything we do, starting from basic 2 plus 2 make 4 to complex proofs of mathematics are but an expression of this wondrous FEEL which is a disguise for our dirty impulse social need! Whoever Loves the truth more shall please us most with his discoveries! The mathematician who appeases our prejudices most of all is the one with all the right answers! Who could of thought!? I just cant be wrong, let noone dare say otherwise, unless of course I wake up on a different side of the bed soon..
And Magic! You're my favorite INTP on the board! Noone has pointed out such noble truth with such picturesque rigor.
Oh yes, Edahn, this isnt dramatizing either. This is just a response to the picture with a very cool, rigor seeking, detached eye, that I put forth on occassion! Who knows, maybe the next day, I'll take image A from self 12, Image Z from shelf 561, and Image XTZ from shelf 1021, scramble them all together and call it VERY careful, consistent and focused observation aimed at putting a whole coherent view together.
What..what..what are you all looking at me for! I have a very strong FEEL this is the truth, 'BULLSHIT', 'BULLSHIT' I call on to all of you..who may disagree in advance! I sense it! I sense it! This is all part of me THOROUGH OBSERVATIONS! OBSERVATIONS I TELL YOU! Dont you dare question how I come up with these observations! I sense it and thats period!
Yes, magic again,
Whoever does this!
If you are really seeking to learn, then you're supposed to let the debating process build the idea. Not whip up the idea, and then go through the whole debating process defending and pushing it. That would be persuasion, not learning.
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Obviously does not love the truth! How dare him be right, who GAVE HIM THE RIGHT TO BE RIGHT, lets look around here, does such a person here think HE COULD BE RIGHT? If everyone feels this way, how could the truth be to the contrary!
I'm calling "bullshit." Ideas serve a purpose, too. MBTI theories end their analyses at this point and will have you believe that NTs or INTPs juggle ideas for their own sake and use people as tools to refine theories. (I've read the descriptions, too, Seahorse.) It's bullshit. There's always a motive, and people like us who are addicted to modeling are chasing after something as well: relief. .
Indeed! Descriptions, descriptions! All they are! Make sure when you go to think about this again YOU NEVER DARE TAKE ANY SYSTEM IN MIND..THOSE ARE JUST IDEAS..THEY ALL BUT SERVE A DIRTY PURPOSE TO COVER OUR PERSONAL NEED WHICH IS ALL OUR ACTIONS ARE ABOUT! Remember, a person is always doing more than just collecting information and making decisions, he is telling jokes, picking his noses, laughing etc..this is what it is..no need to analyze it further or even dare thinking to systemize! What more grievous sin could there be than putting such a HOLY matter as 'FEEL' and 'people' into Categories. Any impersonal thought must be sheer grave wickedness! How dare them, philosophers, scientists, mathematicians, Jung..have the obstreperousness to let us sink thus far! They have left us bereft of all our human dignity.
Bow to our revrt to romanticism and stone age! FEEL ITS POWER! DONT THINK ABOUT IT! Remember, next time you dare THINK, Think the 'DIRTY SECRET', that ought to teach you...