And being a senior level software developer is a big deal?
I definitely have a weakness in understanding coding and software in general.. so to be senior level would be something that would be extremely difficult for me to attain. I don't think she should be throwing her weight around like she's Bill Gates or something, since that distracts from the OP, however.
This thread is for 8's, btw... not 9's trying to be 8's.
I don't agree with this at all.
Lets look at it: 8, no wings, has made a genuine post twice in response to the thread, and no one has said anything in reply.
w8 has made a couple comments, and has gotten attention and responses all over the place. I think she seems extremely welcomed, if you ask me.
Plenty of people have already participated that aren't 8s, and she was upfront about her type, so let's not be so snarky plz?
I can see why you don't like it. It does have the heavy tinge of type 2 in it, while the description for the healthiest 5 for example just seems like, well, a 5. I guess at the healthiest level the 8 should be able to feel like they can be those things without fear: without feeling that they will be taken advantage of and controlled by opening up. They can let up with the constant vigilance. I definitely don't think they're like the description above all the time, like it implies.
The second level does sound better.
This was a great post, thank you.
im not going to read all the comments. You do know level 1 and 2 is something only very few 8s gets to, right? Usually level 3-5 is the normal 8 description.
This is absolutely correct. Based on what Jock and I were implying as well, level ones seem like a role model moreso than something realistic.
Yeah they're all like that. They're basically describing the upper limits of the types. I don't think many get that far, but it seems like they sell these "levels of health" as though everyone hits them at some point. IMO, Helen Palmer's spectrum of healthy/unhealthy is far more realistic in terms of scope.
:3 Ill have to look up these descriptions to see if I agree.
There is a distinct gender divide and I, as a woman feel the enneagram descriptions for 8's doesn't address this at all. The generalised description of 8's are easy to relate to, to some degree. That's why I don't question that I'm an 8w7 but one who believes that moving towards a 5 is more applicable to myself, for the purposes of self-actualisation.
Balance shouldn't be towards more instinctual levels, which includes emotions, especially Fe based expectations for Level 1.
So, ultimately, I reject the upper health levels and find them, as well as the unhealthy levels, too over-the-top. I have no interest in becoming a martyr and a hero. Very emotionally unhealthy.
Do you associate many of the qualities of an upper 8 with the very things society frowns upon within women (while also promoting within women ironically enough)?
I found the descriptions to be over-the-top, indeed.. unattainable, probably. But I didn't think that the 8s lacked anything for women that they gave to men at all. The type 8 description matches me well.. if anything, I find that the way I express my type 8 ways is supressed via society, but not that the descriptions didn't try to accomodate me. They're fairly unisex.
I don't think anyone should truly become a hero.. I'll never truly do crazy stunts, steal from tombs, wrestle crocs, and wear a spandex suit (okay, maybe someday the last one will happen..) but it doesn't stop Lara Croft from being a childhood hero of mine. I think those ideals can be very useful, even if they are not exactly what one will end up being. Like shooting for the highest goal you possibly can find, but being satisfied with that your striving turned out.