Trump vs. Biden

[Jaguar]

And the gap is quickly narrowing.

He'll lose his mind waiting.

 

[Red Memories]

The way it's so close to 50/50 actually scares me because it seems like civil war material.

I feel regardless of who wins we are getting a civil war...

 

[Mind Maverick]

I feel regardless of who wins we are getting a civil war...

I think it's less likely if Trump wins. It's mostly the conservatives that have been the irrational ones. You don't see Biden supporters going around using voter intimidation tactics, for instance. You kind of have to be irrational to support Trump though.

 

[FemMecha]

I feel regardless of who wins we are getting a civil war...

I hope it doesn't escalate to that, but I don't think Trump intends to leave, so will cause as much chaos and nuisance as possible to prolong the transition of power. I think he would resort to attempting a civil war to stay in charge, but I don't think he can successfully pull it off. I do think a lot of militia groups will commit terrorist violence acts before it's all over, so I am concerned about the people who will get hurt, but I don't think he can succeed. However it is unnerving that so much of the population adores him with religious fervor. It concerns me that the level of violence could cause a lot of suffering before it is over, but if the military stands by Biden, then Trump doesn't have a chance. The U.S. military is overwhelming force that no other combination of forces could collectively match from my understanding. People can correct me if I'm wrong about that.

 

[anticlimatic]

I feel regardless of who wins we are getting a civil war...

I think Repubs will be chill if Biden wins. A nice gridlock break to get reacquainted with reality is just what we all need.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I think Repubs will be chill if Biden wins. A nice gridlock break to get reacquainted with reality is just what we all need.

We'll see, I guess.

 

[Red Memories]

I hope you're all right. There's a lot of alt-right groups on Idaho so I'm honestly pretty freaked out.

 

[FemMecha]

I hope you're all right. There's a lot of alt-right groups on Idaho so I'm honestly pretty freaked out.

Yes, you are deep in that country. When I was a kid the Neo-Nazi's came to my hometown in Wyoming to set up their national headquarters and lined the streets holding semi-automatic weapons, and we protested, so they moved to Idaho. That whole western region has a lot of extremist for which many Midwesterners might not have a complete picture.

 

[ceecee]

I'm just sorry we couldn't come through for everyone down here. We sure as hell threatened to, but I think we're probably still a ways away from TX going blue. If nothing else, those fleeting moments when we were showing blue were a little inspiring.

Latino outreach, take a page out of Bernie's organizing playbook.

Chuck Rocha reveals secrets to winning Latino voters in 'Tio Bernie' Sanders book

 

[Red Memories]

Yes, you are deep in that country. When I was a kid the Neo-Nazi's came to my hometown in Wyoming to set up their national headquarters and lined the streets holding semi-automatic weapons, and we protested, so they moved to Idaho. That whole western region has a lot of extremist for which many Midwesterners might not have a complete picture.

We were running them out but most just moved up north plus the bundy's and the weird "patriot" group we have that aligns with him. Ugh.

 

[Jonny]

If Biden wins this thing, I'm curious what Trump will do in the coming days, weeks, months. Will he ever call Biden to concede?

He telegraphed during the campaign that any Biden win would be viewed as illegitimate and the result of fraud. He seems to be playing that out now. Watching him tweet is something else. People gave Hillary Clinton shit for waiting until the next day to give her concession speech (though she called him that night I believe), and for supporting the Russia investigation. But to me those things pale in comparison to his blatant attempts to change the (apparent) results of the election (we don't actually know if Biden will win yet). He wants PA, GA and NC to be frozen "as is" and he wants AZ and NV to be counted. And he's passing around conspiracy theories about manipulated votes and the like. The irony though, is that the Dems would somehow be masterful enough to pull that off while also neglecting to do the same thing for their Senate chances. Very odd.

In the longer term, I do suspect that he will utilize Giuliani and others to slander Biden and dig up all kinds of dirt on him in an attempt to delegitimize his presidency. Again, one might point to the Russia investigation and say tit for tat. But his is not going through the proper channels and it is really just about public perception. Mueller, et al. were very tight-lipped about the specifics of the investigation, and it certainly wasn't disclosed before he was inaugurated.

But we know this about Trump. He's a gracious winner, and a sore loser. He'll be nice to you and loyal so long as you serve his purpose, but he would readily discard you for his own benefit if it came down to it. He doesn't respect Biden, and he would hate the thought of losing to him.

He is truly a case study in some sort of psychological disorder, made manifest into our very system of government. I think it will be frankly shocking (in a good way) to experience what a normal, well functioning human is like occupying that office. I have hope for a Biden presidency...if he manages to win.

 

[Vendrah]

 

[Jaguar]

So what are the lawsuits he's filing now? MI, PA, GA. Such a pussy.

 

[FemMecha]

I think Biden could get Pennsylvania. Right now I calculated that the number of mail-in votes left to count is about 919,911, if the total votes counted so far equal 6,156,328, and that represents 87% percent of total votes. Rigth now mail-in votes are supporting Biden by 78.4% and Trump by 20.7%. If you calculate those percentages to continue on the mail-in votes and add them to their existing counted vote numbers, you get a significant margin of 300,000 favoring Biden. These estimates could be off by a fair amount and still provide Biden with a lead:
Biden 3,697,623
Trump 3,377,919

I say this because the Nevada mail-in votes seem more uncertain, so that narrow gap could go either way.

 

[Totenkindly]

Trump promises Michigan he will 'never come back' if he loses the state to Biden

Sounds like he swung a deal with the good people of Michigan on Monday... or at least they took him up on it.

I think Biden could get Pennsylvania. Right now I calculated that the number of mail-in votes left to count is about 919,911, if the total votes counted so far equal 6,156,328, and that represents 87% percent of total votes. Rigth now mail-in votes are supporting Biden by 78.4% and Trump by 20.7%. If you calculate those percentages to continue on the mail-in votes and add them to their existing counted vote numbers, you get a significant margin of 300,000 favoring Biden. These estimates could be off by a fair amount and still provide Biden with a lead:
Biden 3,697,623
Trump 3,377,919

I say this because the Nevada mail-in votes seem more uncertain, so that narrow gap could go either way.

Yeah, I calculated it out earlier today and it's clear that Biden's current progress with heavy-blue mail'ins in PA is pretty doable.

That's why Trump is suing.

EDIT: Based on 88% of vote in and current numbers, there's 850K ballots to count and Trump's ahead by 196K. So yeah, as you say, it depends on the percentage Biden gets but these are from his stronghold.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Trump promises Michigan he will 'never come back' if he loses the state to Biden

Sounds like he swung a deal with the good people of Michigan on Monday... or at least they took him up on it.
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I like "I'll tell Japan to bring all those plants back." Like he can just do that. Do any Japanese automakers even have factories in Michigan? I was under the impression they were all in southern states.

 

[The Cat]

Trump promises Michigan he will 'never come back' if he loses the state to Biden

Sounds like he swung a deal with the good people of Michigan on Monday... or at least they took him up on it.



Yeah, I calculated it out earlier today and it's clear that Biden's current progress with heavy-blue mail'ins in PA is pretty doable.

That's why Trump is suing.

Man could you imagine if he werent such a liar, that he'd actually keep that promise?

 

[anticlimatic]

I hope you're all right. There's a lot of alt-right groups on Idaho so I'm honestly pretty freaked out.

You'll be fine. As long all the court stuff plays out transparently and people don't feel cheated beyond a reasonable doubt, the right won't go commando. Not sure about the alt-right, if we're talking about white nationalists or other quasi domestic terrorist organizations. As for the mainstream right there might be a lot of belly aching in the meantime but the truth will prevail and they'll go quiet.

I feel if you're the one requesting recounts and dropping lawsuits you're done, and I doubt anyone feels any differently. Reality is pretty easy to accept.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

I like "I'll tell Japan to bring all those plants back." Like he can just do that. Do any Japanese automakers even have factories in Michigan? I was under the impression they were all in southern states.

Suppliers - yes. Actual assembly plants? No.