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Six men charged in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

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Six men charged in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

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I worry for what other sinister plans lurk under the surface. Trump seems more and more desperate, and I truly believe he would rather violently turn the United States into his own fiefdom rather than lose the election through an honest vote.
 

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I'm going to hazard a guess that 'Wolverine' is a reference to Red Dawn and that these clowns saw themselves as preventing an invasion of communists (aka dem filthy libruls hurr)
 

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I'm going to hazard a guess that 'Wolverine' is a reference to Red Dawn and that these clowns saw themselves as preventing an invasion of communists (aka dem filthy libruls hurr)

That's probably exactly it.
 

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I’m sick of right wing dipshits misappropriating Red Dawn as fascist propaganda. There’s actually a strong subtext of antifascism throughout most of the films of Milius (even in the 2 Dirty Harry films he wrote), but the low hanging fruit argument always seems to be Milius was a raging right winger.

But I’ll save that analysis for the movie thoughts thread
 

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I’m sick of right wing dipshits misappropriating Red Dawn as fascist propaganda. There’s actually a strong subtext of antifascism throughout most of the films of Milius (even in the 2 Dirty Harry films he wrote), but the low hanging fruit argument always seems to be Milius was a raging right winger.

But I’ll save that analysis for the movie thoughts thread

I can't remember who it was (maybe Conan), but he was working with Schwarznegger on something and somebody called him a Nazi, and Milius said "No, he's not the fascist, I am."

edit: Found it. What he said was actually worse.

Milius has referred to himself as a “zen anarchist” and once told producer Dino De Laurentiis (who objected to the casting of Arnold Schwarzenegger in “Conan the Barbarian”), “There is only one Nazi on this team. And that is me. I am the Nazi.” When he was commissioned to write the first draft of “Dirty Harry,” Milius insisted on payment upfront in the form of a $2,000 gun.

Milius, John (Former Board Member) - NRA On the Record

It appears to be an anti-NRA site, but I've come across that incident before. Cross check it if you don't believe me.
 

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I can't remember who it was (maybe Conan), but he was working with Schwarznegger on something and somebody called him a Nazi, and Milius said "No, he's not the fascist, I am."

edit: Found it. What he said was actually worse.



Milius, John (Former Board Member) - NRA On the Record

It appears to be an anti-NRA site, but I've come across that incident before. Cross check it if you don't believe me.

No, I predicted someone would reference this exact quote.

Milius was actually an anarchist troll who delighted in fucking with journalists.

And Spielberg would never have knowingly befriended someone with legitimate national socialist views. Spielberg, Lucas, and Coppola knew him better than most people. They understood his complexity far better than most. None of them would have worked so closely with a self avowed nazi. Milius knew the image many had of him, and he played it up, because it amused him

In fact, didn’t Spielberg base the character of abner raven wood partially on Milius? Need to find the source for that.

Brody: [scoffing]“Ravenwood’s no nazi“
 

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No, I predicted someone would reference this exact quote.

Milius was actually an anarchist troll who delighted in fucking with journalists.

whatever... You have to provide evidence for that.

And Spielberg would never have knowingly befriended someone with legitimate national socialist views. Spielberg knee him better than most people.

I dunno man. Judging what I know about his movies he does seem like a pretty far-right guy. Nazi? I don't know, but it's a stretch to me to say that people are appropriating his movies.
 

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whatever... You have to provide evidence for that.


His own words. He said he was so far right he was past Maoist, and at heart an anarchist—it’s obvious he was being tongue in cheek, playing on the image of him as a raging right wing reactionary (he liked guns therefore he’s a right winger). Anarchism is as left wing as ideologies come.


i dunno man. Judging what I know about his movies he does seem like a pretty far-right guy. Nazi? I don't know, but it's a stretch to me to say that people are appropriating his movies.

I’m not pulling this out of my ass, I watched his films and the anarchist sentiments are there, if not always immediately obvious. Dirty Harry, for example, is about an old fashioned individualist’s frustration with an ineffective bureaucracy. Magnum Force puts the same individualist against literal nazi biker cops who want to act as judge, jury and executioner—notice how one of the “nazi” bike cops uses a German style machine gun to execute peopje at a mafia pool party. Listen to Lalo Schifrin’s score, evoking military style drums whenever the biker cops appear. His movies ultimately reject the fascist nationalism, often featuring rugged individualists pitted against fascistic villains.

Red Dawn, this is the lowest fruit. It’s communist invaders, so easy to see the year it was made and connect the dots to some hyper Reaganism. But he goes to great lengths to draw subtle parallels between the movie’s soviet invaders and real life nazis of the 1940s. Read the script and there are overt references not to 50s communists but to 40s nazis. The parallels weren’t just coincidental, they were thought out at the early writing stage

I’m not saying rugged individualism itself is perfect, just pointing out I think his politics were a blend of that hyper macho rugged individualism with anarchism. In 1970s Hollywood, I can see why some of his contemporaries might see a fascist.
 

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At least we can all sleep tight tonight knowing "law and order" Trump will definitely, 100% rein down the hardest possible condemnations and every consequence in the book at these lawbreakers. Right?
 

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At least we can all sleep tight tonight knowing "law and order" Trump will definitely, 100% rein down the hardest possible condemnations and every consequence in the book at these lawbreakers. Right?

Lawful evil doesnt work like that Z Buck ;)
 

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At least we can all sleep tight tonight knowing "law and order" Trump will definitely, 100% rein down the hardest possible condemnations and every consequence in the book at these lawbreakers. Right?

Stand back and stand by.
 

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I’m not pulling this out of my ass, I watched his films and the anarchist sentiments are there, if not always immediately obvious. Dirty Harry, for example, is about an old fashioned individualist’s frustration with an ineffective bureaucracy.

I haven't seen the film, and the bit your mentioning may have played differently in the 70s when the pop culture image everyone had of a cop was Joe Friday (rather than the cop who doesn't play by the rules thing being a cliche) , but that trope usually ends up being pretty reactionary. Half the time the things the bureaucrats are using to obstruct the hero is tearing him a new one for violating the bill of rights or something like that. It might be chaotic good on screen but ends up usually translating to chaotic evil by people who take these movies too seriously, and there are a lot of them, and I'm sure some of them are actually cops (or does it become lawful evil? I dunno) .

But I don't think people need to stop watching or reading something just because the politics are shit. Most old stuff is dated in some way with regards to that, so it would make it very difficult to watch anything made before 10 years ago, and that would of course, always be a moving target.
 

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I haven't seen the film, and it may have played differently in the 70s when the pop culture image everyone had of a cop was Joe Friday, but that trope usually ends up being pretty reactionary. Half the time the things the bureacrats are using to obstruct the hero is tearing him a new one for violating the bill of rights or something like that.
To be fair, he did write Magnum Force as a reaction to criticisms of the first film being too reactionary. But I wonder if he felt the first one had been misunderstood and saw MF as a chance to set the record straight. “Oh you thought Callahan was a fascist? Here, I’ll show you some real fascists”

Who knows. I probably read a lot more into these films than was intended, but I sometimes think the writing in them was a lot more clever than some film critics at the time realized. I just think a lot of right wing people picked them up as power fantasies, but really they should look to the Death Wish series (including the Bruce Willis remake) if they want a real right wing power fantasy.

Sudden Impact was pretty revolutionary in telling a good chunk from the perspective of a female rape victim and getting the audience to sympathize with her. And I’ll defend The Enforcer as one of the most pro-feminist films of the 70s

The Dead Pool was a train wreck though
 

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Jason Miller has the audacity...the AUDACITY to turn this on Whitmer. What else can we expect from an administration in denial of the damage it's caused and the hatred it's inspired?
 
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