Trump vs. Biden

[Jaguar]

The Troublesome Tara Reade Story
Left and right-wing Biden haters demanded that the media investigate her sexual assault charge. It did—and uncovered many reasons to doubt.

The Troublesome Tara Reade Story | The Nation

Don't drink bleach to disinfect the hate. Find another way.

 

[Riva]

I feel Biden and Trump are both a bit too old to be president. After a certain age people don't make the best choices. I've seen it happen to quote a few politicians - brilliant at one point but silly after they pass a certain age.

Trump has been silly for quite sometime, but that seem to be a part of his personality and he seem to be doing 'alright'. Biden though appears to have crossed that age.

There should be a age limit to hold public office.

Ps - Bernie is a hypocrite. Calls himself a socialist but has 4 houses. Typical socialist politicians - wants everyone to live modest lives, all the while living it up.

 

[Virtual ghost]

There should be a age limit to hold public office.

Correct. Since this is all dementia2020.

 

[Red Memories]

New Evidence Supports Credibility of Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Biden

Thought this may be relevant.

 

[Virtual ghost]

New Evidence Supports Credibility of Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Biden

Thought this may be relevant.

To me DNC really isn't clear in logic. For years we are hearing about how we just have to beat Trump and then they are going against him with:


1. The guy that is even older than him
2. That also grabs them by the pussy and there are plenty of "questionable photos out there"
3. That has decades of really concrete baggage
4. That can barely speak of have a clear thought in certain situations
5. That is against various ideas that are generally popular across the party lines

Etc.


Out of 300+ million Americans can't they find someone with the better cards ? Even within the establishment itself ?

 

[Maou]

 

[Jonny]

Out of 300+ million Americans can't they find someone with the better cards ? Even within the establishment itself ?

You act as though people didn't vote for Biden, and that everything was written in the cards by the DNC. They did vote for him, and it wasn't some conspiracy by the DNC. Biden actually stood on a stage and debated other candidates, and people still voted for him.

Would I prefer someone other than Biden be the democratic nominee? Absolutely...I didn't vote for him. But people looked at the early polls that saw him performing better against Trump. He has the highest name recognition. It isn't rocket science.

I think this election is different than 2016, fortunately for Biden. In 2016, the election was as much (if not more) about Clinton than about Trump. When you have two terrible candidates, the one who is in greater focus suffers more at the polls. Many people voted against Clinton. In this election, there will be almost nobody voting against Biden. Most are either for Trump or against him. It isn't really about Biden...at all.

Unfortunately for us, Trump will pull out all the stops to try to win this election. It's going to be a terrible, dirty campaign season, and we're all going to be worse off for it. But it makes sense, because Trump's future is contingent upon him winning this election. He is an unindicted coconspirator in the criminal case that put his former lawyer behind bars, and there are numerous other criminal and civil cases stalled in the court by virtue of his position as POTUS. Whether you believe he is guilty or not, it really doesn't matter. Those who think Trump is innocent probably don't think Manafort, Stone, et al. are guilty either, and yet they're in prison. It's no stretch to think that those who are currently investigating Trump would push forward once he lost and try to put him behind bars. He knows this. He knows that this election would also rewrite his presidency in the history books. If he doesn't win, he will go down in history as the worst president in modern history. If he does win, he might not.

As I've said before, I don't really care who is running against Trump at this point. I'll vote against Trump for the sake of the country. Whether it's Biden or someone else, it really doesn't matter. We can only hope that whoever beats Trump will be held accountable and impeached if they fail in their duties. I would be happy to have Biden impeached and/or behind bars if he deserves it...once Trump is defeated.

 

[Maou]

Was anyone here a Biden supporter before Bernie dropped out? Noone?

I am sorry, but you should'nt vote for Biden, because you hate Trump. That is just silly and bad politics.

 

[Jonny]

Was anyone here a Biden supporter before Bernie dropped out? Noone?

I am sorry, but you should'nt vote for Biden, because you hate Trump. That is just silly and bad politics.

Well I guess I’m silly and bad at politics then. Luckily, despite my apparent shortcomings my life has gone really well for me. How about you?

 

[Red Memories]

Was anyone here a Biden supporter before Bernie dropped out? Noone?

I am sorry, but you should'nt vote for Biden, because you hate Trump. That is just silly and bad politics.

I would love to live in a world where people voted for people because they actually value what they're saying but, we live in a world where people vote so the other guy doesn't win... and apparently no one cares to try and coordinate something better. We just keep getting shitshows for presidential nominees.
[MENTION=4347]Virtual ghost[/MENTION] is right, I wish more people would think about it. It is sad how foreigners have more logic about how to use our democratic republic than we do.

 

[Jonny]

I would love to live in a world where people voted for people because they actually value what they're saying but, we live in a world where people vote so the other guy doesn't win... and apparently no one cares to try and coordinate something better. We just keep getting shitshows for presidential nominees.

[MENTION=4347]Virtual ghost[/MENTION] is right, I wish more people would think about it. It is sad how foreigners have more logic about how to use our democratic republic than we do.

That’s a world we should strive for, and one we’ve had before. People didn’t vote for Obama just to keep McCain from winning. These last two elections have been really shitty, I agree. We should undertake electoral reform to prevent this from happening in the future. Think ranked choice, etc.

 

[Virtual ghost]

You act as though people didn't vote for Biden, and that everything was written in the cards by the DNC. They did vote for him, and it wasn't some conspiracy by the DNC. Biden actually stood on a stage and debated other candidates, and people still voted for him.

Would I prefer someone other than Biden be the democratic nominee? Absolutely...I didn't vote for him. But people looked at the early polls that saw him performing better against Trump. He has the highest name recognition. It isn't rocket science.

I think this election is different than 2016, fortunately for Biden. In 2016, the election was as much (if not more) about Clinton than about Trump. When you have two terrible candidates, the one who is in greater focus suffers more at the polls. Many people voted against Clinton. In this election, there will be almost nobody voting against Biden. Most are either for Trump or against him. It isn't really about Biden...at all.

Unfortunately for us, Trump will pull out all the stops to try to win this election. It's going to be a terrible, dirty campaign season, and we're all going to be worse off for it. But it makes sense, because Trump's future is contingent upon him winning this election. He is an unindicted coconspirator in the criminal case that put his former lawyer behind bars, and there are numerous other criminal and civil cases stalled in the court by virtue of his position as POTUS. Whether you believe he is guilty or not, it really doesn't matter. Those who think Trump is innocent probably don't think Manafort, Stone, et al. are guilty either, and yet they're in prison. It's no stretch to think that those who are currently investigating Trump would push forward once he lost and try to put him behind bars. He knows this. He knows that this election would also rewrite his presidency in the history books. If he doesn't win, he will go down in history as the worst president in modern history. If he does win, he might not.

As I've said before, I don't really care who is running against Trump at this point. I'll vote against Trump for the sake of the country. Whether it's Biden or someone else, it really doesn't matter. We can only hope that whoever beats Trump will be held accountable and impeached if they fail in their duties. I would be happy to have Biden impeached and/or behind bars if he deserves it...once Trump is defeated.

As one fictional villain said: People believe what media tell them to believe and I am telling the media what to believe. It is really quite simple.



Also you kinda missed my point, if beating Trump is all you and your party care about then Biden as candidate really makes no real sense for already stated reasons. There are hundreds of people even in the establishment itself that can be the president and I can't believe that the party didn't have something better to offer. What would already basically solve the elections already in the Summer. But instead you are going for your scenario of long and dirty fights for which it is unclear how they will end.

There will be almost nobody voting against Biden. Most are either for Trump or against him. It isn't really about Biden...at all.

Just think what you have basically said here, that your candidate and his positions are irrelevant. Do you know why Trump really won last time ? Mostly because he was presenting some kind of vision, the fact that it perhaps wasn't a realistic one was completely irrelevant.


So no one will be voting against Biden ?


All flavors of GOP will
Bernie people will probably stay at home by good margin as it seems
Gerrymandering and other shenanigans favor GOP
If this rape things stays in the air it will turn into another "her emails scandal".
Biden has bad record in China trade, Iraq war and Social security that can easily be exploited. Especially since many in the end vote on a vim of the moment
Foreign "trolls" are likely to be on the Trumps side.



If you really want to win this you need much more concrete approach than current on. With Trump in the WH the Dems should have complete landslide of Regan style, while now it is questionable if they will even win. What the party is doing really isn't that rational in the bigger picture. You want to run a corporate centrist candidate ? Fine, but at lest find a guy that has energy and doesn't have terrible record that is already on youtube.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Imagine this, it is November so it is cold and wet outside (and the virus is probably still out there to some degree). How will you push none partisan people in the mid-west to vote? By giving them some kind of policy proposal that makes them enthusiastic. Even if you vote just by mail it it much better that more people vote, since that decrease the chances for various shenanigans.


This is campaigning 101.

 

[Maou]

Campaigning on "We are not Trump" speaks volumes on the lack of conviction and values the Democratic party has. Essentially, they are whatever the opposition isn't. That should be a huge red flag to anyone who still believes in Democracy. The Democrats only care about power now. If any party will attempt Fascism, it is them. I still don't think Biden won fair and square at the DNC nomination either.

I vote based on policy, not party. Imagine how many people will be disenfranchised with the Democratic party, who believed the lies used to prop up Biden and find out he was a puppet and not actually what they voted for? Not every Democrat, znd especially moderate Democrats hate Trump. So campaigning on that, just makes them stay home or vote Trump in spite. Don't forget the people of Dem exit, and NeverBidens. I mean, Biden could never beat Trump, so why prop him up?

I am beginning to see merit in the theories of the destruction of the Democratic party. It is definately fractured, and I also believe some have lost their minds. Pelosi and Schumer especially.

 

[RadicalDoubt]

I would love to live in a world where people voted for people because they actually value what they're saying but, we live in a world where people vote so the other guy doesn't win... and apparently no one cares to try and coordinate something better. We just keep getting shitshows for presidential nominees.

Big ditto to this one. There's plenty of people who care enough to try to coordinate things better, but none of them seem to be in power at the moment (or the ones that are seem to be either more moved by money than values or squashed by those who have no interest...).

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Nonetheless, this whole election feels as though it's a repeat of 2016.... Except this time I can vote? Idk if that makes things better or worse. I wish there were enough people out there not willing to settle for two non-ideal candidates (since it seems like the majority of people aren't really superfans of either... This could be an incorrect judgement though I guess, there are trump superfans I guess but that doesn't seem to be a super majority of even just the republican party).

 

[Virtual ghost]

[MENTION=4347]Virtual ghost[/MENTION] is right, I wish more people would think about it. It is sad how foreigners have more logic about how to use our democratic republic than we do.

Well, there are two parts of that story.


1. Foreigners that come here are generally extra intellectual and educated. Since foreign average Joe surely wouldn't really be interested or even capable of having a complex political debate on foreign language about foreign country.



2. America indeed became very intellectually lazy. Therefore "blowing up" the debate really isn't that hard.

 

[Red Memories]

Big ditto to this one. There's plenty of people who care enough to try to coordinate things better, but none of them seem to be in power at the moment (or the ones that are seem to be either more moved by money than values or squashed by those who have no interest...).

_____

Nonetheless, this whole election feels as though it's a repeat of 2016.... Except this time I can vote? Idk if that makes things better or worse. I wish there were enough people out there not willing to settle for two non-ideal candidates (since it seems like the majority of people aren't really superfans of either... This could be an incorrect judgement though I guess, there are trump superfans I guess but that doesn't seem to be a super majority of even just the republican party).

I literally cried my first election feeling America is fucked either way. I feel for you in this sense. I encourage you to do what in your heart you feel is better, regardless of what you are told. I regret not just voting for the 3rd party independent candidate I had planned to. I at least felt morally right that way.

 

[anticlimatic]

The Troublesome Tara Reade Story
Left and right-wing Biden haters demanded that the media investigate her sexual assault charge. It did—and uncovered many reasons to doubt.

The Troublesome Tara Reade Story | The Nation

Don't drink bleach to disinfect the hate. Find another way.

I feel bad for a lot of the people who now have to decide between helping trump get reelected, and voting for Joe "Brett Kavanaugh" Biden. Talk about a moral conundrum. I'd be curious to know which is the stronger value.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I feel bad for a lot of the people who now have to decide between helping trump get reelected, and voting for Joe "Brett Kavanaugh" Biden. Talk about a moral conundrum. I'd be curious to know which is the stronger value.

That is easy, Trump did it more times.

 

[rav3n]

And....Reade's story changes again, after changing a few other times...

Joe Biden Asks Senate to Find 1993 Tara Reade Complaint—But Reade Says It Doesn’t Mention Assault

Joe Biden has sent a letter to the Secretary of the Senate Julie Adams asking for a search in the Senate’s archives for any documents related to a possible complaint made by his former aide Tara Reade. “I am writing to request your assistance in determining whether 27 years ago a staff member in my United States Senate office filed a complaint alleging sexual harassment,” the letter says. He previously asked the National Archives to make the search, but those in charge of the Archives told him the Senate would have retained the documents. In early April, the Secretary of the Senate told The Daily Beast those records are not under their jurisdiction. Reade has alleged that Biden pinned her up against a wall and digitally penetrated her, an accusation the former VP has denied.

On Saturday, the Associated Press reported that Reade said she did file a limited report with a congressional personnel office, but it didn’t explicitly accuse Biden of sexual assault or harassment. “I remember talking about him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable,” Reade told the AP. “I know that I was too scared to write about sexual assault.” Reade added that in the report, she described her issues with Biden, but “the main word I used—and I know I didn’t use sexual harassment —I used ‘uncomfortable.’ And I remember ‘retaliation.’”

I support #MeToo but I don't support blatant liars.

This comment needs to be quoted from reddit:

[–]OffThisSameFootHere [score hidden] an hour ago
It's a choose your adventure of why she left her job.
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Left because her boyfriend/husband got another job offer
Left because she felt bullied by others in the office
Left because she wouldn't serve drinks
Left because she felt uncomfortable
Left because she was sexually harassed
Left because she was sexually assaulted