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Why are Americans so FAKE?

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The problem is that plenty of Americans are ok, but some parts of American mainstream are just "OMG zone". Therefore then you just judge culture from the outside you can insult people since you have a limited access to individuals, even if overal culture in many parts is something you don't want to associate yourself. I understand this since my country has a similar problem, on indivudual level everything is mostly fine, but when you put as all togather ... *chaos*.

Right. Just people need to withhold judging others with insufficient information. I do think so on an individual level it is quite fine, when politics evaporate it seems people live really similar lives haha. I never felt shame for being an American. But then again I've only went to one foreign country heh. But I wouldn't imagine depriving myself for being in Europe should I go there sometime in the future.
 

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Right. Just people need to withhold judging others with insufficient information. I do think so on an individual level it is quite fine, when politics evaporate it seems people live really similar lives haha. I never felt shame for being an American. But then again I've only went to one foreign country heh. But I wouldn't imagine depriving myself for being in Europe should I go there sometime in the future.


But what is insufficient information ?

I live thousands of miles from nearest USA border but: I have access too all hollywood movies and know basically all celebrities, we watch the same TV shows like Game of Thones or those countless CSI crime shows. Also I can watch quizes like "Who wants to be a millionare" instead. I can go to McDonalds at any time since my city is full of them, I know your most exposed political figures and where you are engaging in military interventions, I know fair amount of your county history since it had great impact on the world. I know all about the Oprah and Dr Oz since my grandmother liked them. Also I have access to youtube and social networks just as any American. I know geography of your country well since am geography nerd since birth. I am fairly good at using your langauge. Etc etc.


I am missing some details on purely personal everyday level but I think I can draw pretty correct conclusions or comparisons with my culture in its more traditional form. To most Americans this is not trully obvious but all spotlights are on you and people around the world are watching you like a some kind of a Big Brother show, since almost everything is visable on cultural level.
 

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But what is insufficient information ?

I live thousands of miles from nearest USA border but: I have access too all hollywood movies and know basically all celebrities, we watch the same TV shows like game of thones or those countless CSI crime shows, or I can watch quizes like "Who wants to be a millionare" instead. Also I can go to McDonalds at any time since my city is full of them, I know your most exposed political figures and where you are engaging in military interventions, I know fair amount of your county history since it had great impact on the world. I know all about the Oprah and Dr Oz since my grandmother liked them. Also I have access to youtube and social networks just as any American. I know geography of your country well since am geography nerd since birth. I am fairly good at using your langauge. Etc etc.


I am missing some details on purely personal everyday level but I think I can draw pretty correct conclusions or comparisons with my culture in its more traditional form. To most Americans this is not trully obvious but all spotlights are on you and peope around the world are watching you like a some kind of a Big Brother show, since almost everything is visable on cultural level.

Ah but would you say you have worked surrounded by Americans? And also what about the more mixed areas such as California/Arizona/Texas? I believe living and experiencing is much more important and assessing your mood just as much as well. Like more than once obviously too. Like when you're happy back in your home country and happy in America are there differences? Same for sadness and anger.

I just believe this thread came from a confirmation bias, the OP's moods are just being blamed on a country for something he/she hasn't resolved within him or herself and excusing by blaming the outside world.

But I also realize that problems are often a mixture of inner and outer worlds.

It's American/Western of me to say when someone is of problem it's individual him/herself is the problem.
In Eastern Culture I would say the problem is due to circumstantial problems.

So I would say the truth is often a mix, but sometimes I believe either side could be more right sometimes too.

Here's probably a map of his issue:

OP (high expectations) -> OP looks rather proud -> OP sees things not meeting high standards -> people around are disgusted -> fuels OPs beliefs further (by using those people as a sample of population as it was randomized and not selected) -> polarizing occurs (not to be confused with group polarization (social psychology term)) -> subjective judgment.
 

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I am missing some details on purely personal everyday level but I think I can draw pretty correct conclusions or comparisons with my culture in its more traditional form. To most Americans this is not trully obvious but all spotlights are on you and people around the world are watching you like a some kind of a Big Brother show, since almost everything is visable on cultural level.

True, on a 'cultural level', but I think the irony is a lot of what's projected (ie movies, tv) is just a fabrication anyway. ie most people in America when you get down to it are just like most people in the rest of the world - wanting friends, family, trying to survive, trying to find happiness. It's just that yes, America has its cultural heritage and baggage from all previous years, and has some fucked up cultural emphases going on. Though as you also say, every country has their fucked up aspects; Mexico, India, China, many countries in Africa, basically every culture in the world has its issues. Where in America there's a lot of divide, and the social media crap that's spread across the rest of the world, and other such things, there are culturally 'accepted' gang rapes going on elsewhere, or extreme corruption in the police force, or all sorts of terrible things. :shrug:
 

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The funny thing is that America is SO vast that I would have a hard time labeling it as fake or some other overly generalized adjective. And this is coming from someone who doesn't really care about patriotism or upholding tradition. People just take things too seriously.
 

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Ah but would you say you have worked surrounded by Americans? And also what about the more mixed areas such as California/Arizona/Texas? I believe living and experiencing is much more important and assessing your mood just as much as well. Like more than once obviously too. Like when you're happy back in your home country and happy in America are there differences? Same for sadness and anger.

I just believe this thread came from a confirmation bias, the OP's moods are just being blamed on a country for something he/she hasn't resolved within him or herself and excusing by blaming the outside world.

But I also realize that problems are often a mixture of inner and outer worlds.

It's American/Western of me to say when someone is of problem it's individual him/herself is the problem.
In Eastern Culture I would say the problem is due to circumstantial problems.

So I would say the truth is often a mix, but sometimes I believe either side could be more right sometimes too.

Here's probably a map of his issue:

OP (high expectations) -> OP looks rather proud -> OP sees things not meeting high standards -> people around are disgusted -> fuels OPs beliefs further (by using those people as a sample of population as it was randomized and not selected) -> polarizing occurs (not to be confused with group polarization (social psychology term)) -> subjective judgment.


I can't say anything about Eastern culture since I don't belong into it. (I am from a country that is considered to be the last country of the West and everything further to the East are different cultures/religions)
In my life I have met a few Americans and they seemed like ok people in general, just a litte bit too loud, too down to Earth and too open in my taste, but ok I am INTJ so that doesn't really count I suppose. However the overal cultural differance was still pretty obvious in my opinion.


Regarding the OP: you must understand that American culture can indeed look very strange from East European perspective since we are very differnt in many key areas. What is one of the reasons why there was a whole cold war thing going on. Differences somewhat got lost because of many changes and globalization but this still isn't flat out issue. Here we are not used that much into the whole market thing and self promotion and therefore if someone is doing that all the time that person looks fake automatically, while towards American values this will probably be rated as "competent". This person can be ultra successful and everthing but something about it is likely to rub you wrong way. I am not saying that Americans are bad people it is just that I have a trouble relating to some of the stuff that are very deep in the American cuture.



Regarding happiness in America and here ? The overal feeling is probably the same since this is all just a consequence of human biology. However there could be differences and primary in the field "What made you happy?". In America it is much more likely that this will be because of bussines or academic success, while here it is probably nature, food and something more down to Earth things. Since we don't really have this culture of success as much as America, because we are politically unstabile and all success will probably go to wind as the government collapses once again. My ISTP grandfather lived in 5 countries and survived 3 wars and none the less he lived on the same piece of land his entire life as the goverments changed. Therefore from that comes idea that modern Americans can be fake since they don't appreciate some of the most basic things in life and turn everything into combat over things that may not even matter in the end, they are just too much sucked into the system since their system is stabile and therefore blocks everything that is "out of the box". Few years back I met some people who were so surpriesed how capitalistically untouched my country is. What is one of the reasons we are rated as the place where you go to "search yourself".



Few posts back I was mentioning our porn producing Prime minister who was chased with his bag of money and his daughter in the car around the highways. Can you even imagine Obama or Bush doing something like that ? Maybe you can but this is not going to happen since America is just too rigid country that something like this happens. However as I said this can be hard to understand if you haven't ever been detached/cut of from your culture. I mean I am deliberately using extreme example because that makes it easier to show the bottom line.





True, on a 'cultural level', but I think the irony is a lot of what's projected (ie movies, tv) is just a fabrication anyway. ie most people in America when you get down to it are just like most people in the rest of the world - wanting friends, family, trying to survive, trying to find happiness. It's just that yes, America has its cultural heritage and baggage from all previous years, and has some fucked up cultural emphases going on. Though as you also say, every country has their fucked up aspects; Mexico, India, China, many countries in Africa, basically every culture in the world has its issues. Where in America there's a lot of divide, and the social media crap that's spread across the rest of the world, and other such things, there are culturally 'accepted' gang rapes going on elsewhere, or extreme corruption in the police force, or all sorts of terrible things. :shrug:


I think you didn't get me. I don't think that characters in movies are fully representative of American people. However if something obviously dumb survives and sees "Season 5" then that means that someone is actually watching that. Therefore if they watch this they or someone else perhaps should analyze what are all those people are thinking or if they are thinking at all. Countries have their own problems but I just can't imagine anyone from may city that would respond to a question "How many Eiffel towers there are in Paris?" with the answer "7". I mean recently I have posted one video where a guy/kid on the street says this to a Australian ... I guess the right word should be "prankster".


I mean none of this would ever be an issue on the table that America is not constantly pushing for this "Number one, know it all" image at all cost. Therefore every bleep or bump looks like a 10 times bigger mistake than it actually is and the whole country look like a fake that doesn't have any idea what they are actually doing, everthing is in the image and once that fails there is "nothing". Espcially now when mass media have turned pretty much everything into cheep entertainment.
 

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I think you didn't get me. I don't think that characters in movies are fully representative of American people. However if something obviously dumb survives and sees "Season 5" then that means that someone is actually watching that. Therefore if they watch this they or someone else perhaps should analyze what are all those people are thinking or if they are thinking at all. Countries have their own problems but I just can't imagine anyone from may city that would respond to a question "How many Eiffel towers there are in Paris?" with the answer "7". I mean recently I have posted one video where a guy/kid on the street says this to a Australian ... I guess the right word should be "prankster".

I think people in most countries tend to watch really stupid things tbh. I mean look at all of the ridiculous stupid humor Japan puts out (see? this is so subjective). Yeah, most people are ignorant of other countries; but go into rural areas in Peru, or southeast Asia, and many might not even know what the Eiffel tower is. But sure, it seems sad what many people find entertaining or what they use to cope with their lives, or lack of awareness of what's outside their immediate lives. Some people don't have the ability or opportunity. Others do...and aren't inclined. Here we have tv and mindless internet game playing or web browsing, in other places it's mindless... drinking? mindless-watching-of-american-shows-even-though-other-countries-say-they-hate-the-stupid-shows-yet-still-watch-them? I dunno. I think I dislike many of the same elements you are pointing out, but I see the same sorts of things elsewhere, or just equally silly substitutes?
 

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I think people in most countries tend to watch really stupid things tbh. I mean look at all of the ridiculous stupid humor Japan puts out (see? this is so subjective). Yeah, most people are ignorant of other countries; but go into rural areas in Peru, or southeast Asia, and many might not even know what the Eiffel tower is. But sure, it seems sad what many people find entertaining or what they use to cope with their lives. Here we have tv and mindless internet game playing or web browsing, in other places it's mindless... drinking? mindless-watching-of-american-shows-even-though-other-countries-say-they-hate-the-stupid-shows-yet-still-watch-them? I dunno. I think I dislike many of the same elements you are pointing out, but I see the same sorts of things elsewhere, or just equally silly substitutes?


Yes this is all true but you don't see the key element and that is constant American pushing of the "number one" image. First, person who is doing that is automatically considered as fake. Plus USA often fails to fulfil its own standards and therefore it comes as fake and out of touch with itself. True, Peru is in toilet when compared with USA but Peru is not pushing it's image into others so agrssively and therefore all of this doesn't matter.


This is a image problem not a concrete factual problem.

When someone in a high-school playground in the top notch sports equipmen says with a smile "I can jump over that at any time! I do these things with closed eyes, actually my uncle was a state champion in this. HERE I GO!!" and then he tries and brakes a few bones in the process while screaming in pain. What would you think afterwards ? Would it be "What an idiot/clown?" ?

However when a quiet polite guy that is barely averagely dressed tries and fails you would just feel sorry for the guy.


The problem is that if you live in USA you don't see how agressive this county is and yet it is so childlike in so many ways.
 

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Btw. I got sucked into this thread so I just want to say again that I don't hate Americans, it is just that sometimes I don't relate to their worldview due to cultural differences. :)
 

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It's mostly the Southern states that act fake from what I have observed..
"Southern Hospitality".. it's supposed to be designed around making everything seem comfortable and.. erm.. Christian-themed.. and.. "peaceful".. or something.. =.=
but it's not peaceful because they disclude people..

The media is plastic, though, and some people buy into that stuff and enjoy the glamor of pop stars and sex appeal.

Oh yeah, but the way people ask the questions "how are you" and then look at you funny when you try to answer them.. it's annoying. -_-
I don't remember being taught that "how are you" or "what's happening" or "what's up" were greetings in English class..
 

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It's mostly the Southern states that act fake from what I have observed..
"Southern Hospitality".. it's supposed to be designed around making everything seem comfortable and.. erm.. Christian-themed.. and.. "peaceful".. or something.. =.=
but it's not peaceful because they disclude people..

"Fakeness" may be more prevalent in the south, but to be totally honest, it's a fuckin' epidemic in America. Yes, it's in our media, entertainment, and music. There's hardly any escape from it. "Fakeness" makes the economy flow, it's a nest of honey covered in shit, when you get to the center, you begin to realize it's propaganda in a less detectable form. If 50% of all the fakers go genuine, this economy would literally implode. So, in a way, I'm not totally against it.
 

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"Fakeness" may be more prevalent in the south, but to be totally honest, it's a fuckin' epidemic in America. Yes, it's in our media, entertainment, and music. There's hardly any escape from it. "Fakeness" makes the economy flow, it's a nest of honey covered in shit, when you get to the center, you begin to realize it's propaganda in a less detectable form. If 50% of all the fakers go genuine, this economy would literally implode. So, in a way, I'm not totally against it.

Yes, you are quite right as the American economy is based on propaganda.

And American propaganda is based in the book called, Propaganda, by Edward Bernays, published in 1928.

The book Propaganda was used and acted upon by top American companies and the American government.

So Edward Bernays was one of the most important Americans of the 20th century, yet he is never taught in school.

Let's face it, they treat you like mushrooms, and indeed, you like to consume in the dark.
 

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Due to the competition between the two churches, Rome reached out to Poland and offered them their alphabet and written word, basically. But, considering the cyrillic alphabet has like 33 letters and the latin one only has 26 (?), and polish, like russian, has a lot of those incomprehensible beautiful shhh sounds, they were forced to use a crazy combo of those letters to actually give them written form - leading to the daunting written language they have today :smile:

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It's mostly the Southern states that act fake from what I have observed..
"Southern Hospitality".. it's supposed to be designed around making everything seem comfortable and.. erm.. Christian-themed.. and.. "peaceful".. or something.. =.=
but it's not peaceful because they disclude people..

The media is plastic, though, and some people buy into that stuff and enjoy the glamor of pop stars and sex appeal.

Oh yeah, but the way people ask the questions "how are you" and then look at you funny when you try to answer them.. it's annoying. -_-
I don't remember being taught that "how are you" or "what's happening" or "what's up" were greetings in English class..

Have you been to the South?
 

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Why are Americans so fake? Fake Smiles, fake greetings, etc? "How are you" without meaning that shit, small talk is bullshit and a way to either wast time. They think they're being courteous with one another when in reality they are RUDE AS FUCK. People should be honest with another, and instead of pretending to care, show what is within themselves. why is such a small percentage real? Don't say because it's herd mentality and a fucking problem with self, e.g Russia is nothing like this. With Russians it's rude to be friendly with others because you don't know them giving them a perception of self preservation so they won't have to stab the person at a later date, no one asks "how are you" unless they know you, and it isn't a joke question but something to be taken seriously. This attitude creates a people that are loyal to one another.

It's not rude or superficial or fake. It's our culture. It's a question that can mean different things to different people, and it's not a practice adopted by all Americans. Many people simply say "hello" and move on.

"How are you?" is an important greeting, even if you don't intend to initiate a conversation. It's a way of acknowledging another person beyond a simpler greeting. It's like saying, "I acknowledge you as a person."

Is also a social ritual. "How are you?" "I'm good, thanks. How are you?" "Good, thank you." It's a little dance you do when you meet someone, a familiar routine that everyone knows, and it's what you fall back on when strangers come together. Silence is rude, but they don't know each other, so they do the little dance. The good intentions are genuine, even if they have nothing to say to each other.

It is an invitation for the other person to be revealing, if they want to. Maybe you asked it to just do the customary social steps, but people will surprise you. I worked retail for 12 years. That's 12 years of doing this with the general public, thousands of total strangers. Many times, I asked the question to just go through the motions because it is polite and important to acknowledge the people around you, and many times I was pleasantly surprised when people gave me a genuine answer and allowed me to see a little piece of who they were as a person before we parted ways. I heard about their plans for the day, projects being built, weddings and birthdays they were shopping for, and so on. I suppose those look like hollow answers, but if you're just listening to the words, then you're not paying attention. I saw the emotions and the sentiments behind the answers, and seeing the way their minds worked and the way they were being thoughtful about their loved ones was always a bright spot on my day.

There's also another important reason for inquiring after the well-being of a stranger: You might be the only one who's asked them. As I said earlier, many people just say hello and go about their business. We take for granted assuming that everybody has somebody. There have been many people I asked who needed to be asked. I received replies about deaths in the family, stressful days, maybe they weren't feeling well. There were also people who would hesitate because my question caught them off guard, then seem relieved and say they were good; I could tell they weren't, but being asked seemed to make them feel better.

So, that's my answer to your question. You don't need to reach deep into the heart of something to feel as though you've experienced something with substance. I enjoy the deeper conversations too, when I am able to have them with someone simulating, but I appreciate all the quick little "small talk" encounters I have too, because there is no such thing as empty communication.
 
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