A Summary of Sorts
My current position is that I am 5w4 with a very strong 4 wing.
My current current position is that I only superficially relate to 4, since I fail at processing painful experiences and do not want to withdraw. I do still have a lot of 5 tendencies; the only problem is again that I don’t actually enjoy getting all reclusive.
I am still not very surprised, now that I remember the first time I took the test I tested as a type 7.
I am even less surprised now that I not only tested 7 once, but several times a couple years back. It confused me because I was so sure on the I, so I forgot about it, even though even then I could very well be “the enthusiast.†In addition, someone who knows me from outside the forum happens to think that I am an obvious 7. This description
http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e142...er_op=view_page&PAGE_id=10&MMN_position=34:34 helped me to see that I’m probably one of them, especially this part:
“While it is quite uncommon for Fours to mistype as Seven, it is not especially unusual for Sevens to initially mistype as Four. Fours are comfortable with their negative mental states, even sometimes choosing to inhabit them, whereas Sevens are in flight from pain. As a general rule, Sevens tend to overestimate the extent of their suffering and sadness because they find such mental states to be so threatening to their sense of self; they can therefore think of themselves as being more melancholic than they actually are. The melancholy of type Seven is primarily driven by anxiety however, whereas that of type Four has its roots in a feeling of worthlessness.
Although Fives do not tend to mistype as Seven, some Sevens do initially mistype as Five. Sevens and Fives are both thinking types who generally enjoy a wide range of intellectual and cultural activities. Both types can be idiosyncratic and counter-cultural, and Fives can become scattered and lose focus like Sevens. Nevertheless, Fives tend to be far more focused on their individual intellectual activities than are Sevens. In addition, Sevens are extroverts whereas Fives are true introverts, often pursuing a line of thought until they take it to the very end, unlike Sevens who tend to move on when the intellectual work becomes too immersed in detail. Sevens frequently underestimate the extent of their extroversion, giving them the sense that they are more Five-like than they actually are. Because they sometimes enjoy their time alone, they reason, they could not truly be extroverts. The overall pattern of the Seven's life, however, ought to reveal the pattern of seeking distraction by way of engaging others. The Five's life should reveal a pronounced pattern of withdrawing under stress.
Sevens and Six can mistype, especially if the wing is strong. Both types can be high energy and intellectual and both tend to have a quick nervous energy. Sevens, however, have a far more optimistic outlook on life than do Sixes who are generally aware of just what might go wrong. Sevens tend, overall, to be more averse to responsibility than Sixes. Sevens tend to look on the bright side whereas Sixes find it difficult to make light of their difficulties.â€
It isn't because of enneagram. It's because of a whole lot more than that.
Well, what I should’ve said was “It isn’t
just because of enneagram.†It is one of many indicators. Of course I could be one of those weird INTP 7 types but I don’t think that’s addressing the problem
And as far as “a whole lot more than thatâ€â€¦
what i mean by that is the subjects of thinking are located outside your mind. for instance, noticing a motif in a book, as opposed to pondering the nuances… seeing how two totally separate events or books or theories can be compared because of their inherent similarities. seeing how to overlap theories. taking information that is not self-generated and linking it to other not-self-generated information. whereas Fi and Ti incorporate external information, but their primary concern is your subjective understanding of the world.
By these criteria, I’m very much in between an internal and external focus. But as far as what energizes me at least, it’s external information connections by a long shot.
Getting out of the house to the world of stimulations energizes and tires me out at the same time.
Correction to this part: getting out, after a while, can tire me physically. Mentally, the fastest path to driving me mad with restlessness and loss of energy is to put me in a house with no internet, no one who will talk about anything interesting, and not being permitted to create any other external distractions.
Also, this
http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...nality-matrices/29055-form-inferior-enps.html has been very helpful. It knows me too well…
In terms of percentages (and this one is made up this time), I’m about 99% sure I am Ne>Ni preference-wise
N is definitely the clearest letter.
I’m sticking with these statements for now. I think that a lot of the stuff that might seem S about me is better attributed to type 7, and I’m still terribly inept and unfamiliar with Ni style processing.
Both functions are interested in integrity, and are disinterested in external standards, but it's a completely different kind of integrity that is sought by each one. Ti seeks integrity in terms of being true to the nature of a system, true to certain logical principles that govern a system while analyzing it. Fi seeks integrity in terms of being true to subjectively defined (rather than objectively defined) principles that govern their own behavior and emotions.
Fi does not usually attempt to convey itself precisely, but rather attempts to capture itself in a more dramatic way... a more poetic way, because that is the only way it can be expressed. And only other Fi users can truly understand it... to someone who doesn't use Fi, it just tends to come across as schmaltzy and strange.
Based on this, I am clearly more of a Ti than Fi user. And I am kind of like
with some of those sorts of poetic portrayals of values and self
So then, xNTP, but…
- Offer various unrelated ideas and see what potential they might suggest.
I would've responded "exactly me" except for the world "unrelated" was in there. I find that my suggested ideas are related
So "mostly me"
- Enjoy playing with random interconnections and patterns.
I either marked "exactly me" or "mostly me" for this one. It confused me because "random interconnections" is an oxymoron
I suspect these were intended to have something to do with Ne, but I am also picky about semantics, so refused to mark “exactly me†when the sentence included “random†or “unrelated.†None of the descriptions here
http://cognitiveprocesses.com/ have anything to do with random or unrelatedness.
Maybe the sharing of things found by Ne seem as such by someone on the outside sometimes, but that’s not the same thing
But the main point, was it was clearly the Ti that developed first for you, and pretty strong at that.
Maybe I did not look back far enough. Also, it was not like in that scenario that I wasn’t imagining all the ‘what ifs’ along the way. I just rationalized and solved each one and went on ahead anyway…
The key part where I don’t fit the ENTP description is regarding a quickness and fluency with conversations. I’m afraid this will always elude me.
But then how much does skill have to do with type?
I still don’t know. But what I do know now is that I get a LOT better at this depending on energy and mood.
Well I’m not going to rule it out so fast just because it has no votes
I/E is probably just hard to judge on the internet, and IRL people are going to be thrown off just because I don’t talk very much.
Still, it looks like all the other evidence stacks up in favor of INTP (with perhaps an ambiverted streak). Even other people seem to be moving over to that view.
So yeah, at this point the poll is nonsense anyway
I think I am seeing different trends in the evidence than you are. And there is a different trend in my early posting history and on my time on Ventrilo. I also totally forgot that over a year ago I was trying to figure out this same issue but in a more indirect manner (threads like
this and a bit of wrong assumptions threw me off
), and I even had similar questions when I first got wrapped up in personality “quizzesâ€.
And I'm still missing a bunch....
I’m seeing a pattern.
ENTP. I still have my doubts but since the NT private forum doesn’t accept ‘Z’ and I don’t like the letter ‘X,’ it is currently the most helpful explanation for the mess of stuff that is Luna
And I am tired of taking this so seriously. So any future posts will surely be given consideration but I’m not doing anymore of this drowning in data.
Anyone want cupcakes?