You're doing a classic INFJ thing here, which is re-wording a statement to suit an absolute perspective that has not been stated. NO ONE IN THIS THREAD has said "Fe users don't have empathy". Wind Up Rex said she was skeptical ("I'm skeptical of the concept of Fe-based empathy") sure, and invalidated a couple of your examples. However, that is a far cry from saying what you are saying.
No it is not. It is exactly what I am saying. There is no stereotypical INFJ trait, though I know so called twisting bothers you, as you have expressed that before.
In a dialogue, argument, discussion, etc. it requires some back and forth. We have something different.
Party A made an assertion (here about her 8th function), and party B presented a counter point (here about my aux function) based upon experience.
Then party A dismissed out of hand everything Party B stated without rebutting anything, making blanket dismissals, and again Party B provided information, but Party A still ignored it.
Instead Party A decided to make a point with a silly game rather than understand the other point of view, even acknowledging she lacked compassion.
The issue was never whether Fi can show empathy (though again, I question any attempt at empathy without compassion), but whether Fe can.
It was an entirely false attempt to prove a point at my expense that
wasn't even at issue!.
This isn't INFJ twisting words around. This is what took place.
So, I called her out on it. And you jumped in, telling me I was wrong, rather than making on effort to actually see my position and instead projected on me what you think I was doing.
Again, if she had some personal experience with Fe users that she has wanted to share as an example, then she could have. Instead, she tried to make me her example.
Instead of trying to understand her perspective, you are offended and bounce that offense back to her. Instead of asking, "Why would she feel that way, what must she have experienced to see that or feel that?" you lash out, making no effort whatsoever to place yourself in her shoes.
I was offended because she wanted to make me her example, put me in her little box, project her ideas on me.
It was her place to provide examples and context if she wanted to have a dialogue, but she dismissed what I wrote, but instead she decided to have prove a point.
I responded accordingly. WUR is a big girl and a ENTJ. She can take it. Besides, she knows already that I can act with compassion instead of invalidating her because we went down that road once, though she might have forgotten.
The ability to do that, to put yourself in her shoes is kind of an empathy-prerequisite. What would it look like if you tried?
Sorry, not playing the game. I have placed myself in too many painful shoes. I have visited dark places you can barely imagine. And been told by too many people that I not only understood them, but I was able to express in words things they felt but could never express.
Again, you have no idea what I have been through.
But that was never the issue, anyway. I wasn't trying to understand WUR, I was discussing her point. She showed she had no desire to really discuss mine.
So, I was supposed to take her little game and say, "oh, great. You proved your point, even though you admitted to acting without "compassion" towards me"?
I didn't think she proved her point at all (which was supposed to be about Fe, anyway), so I felt she needed the response I gave.
You could have come on and stated some profound statement on the differences between Fi empathy and Fe empathy, but instead you just came on to police the thread and tell me I was wrong....
Hmmmmmmmm