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Maybe you should stop reading more into shit than is said? I told you why Darwin would be ashamed of you (a joke, btw), you asked why, I gave a reason why.
When you make a joke on a forum to someone who doesn'tknow you, maybe indicate it as a joke next time?
You're reading way more shit into it than was stated (I think cuz you don't know how to refute this point):
What is the point you want me to refute?
- agree with him 100% ????
- rejecting the theory of evolution ????
^ where are you getting such bullshit from that one line I said? Hyperbolic, you, stop it.
Normally when you state in a public debate "Darwin would be ashamed of you", it implies the other person is negating the law of evolution, and not another marginal issue which Darwin argued for, some aspects of which are still disputed.
You know what, let's hear you out......why isn't competition a "natural law"? Let's hear your arguments.
Well what I was referring to in my original post was the fact that primitive communist societies existed which were based on solidarity and co-operation between members of the tribe in order to collectively strengthen it against external threats.
Without wishing to idealize those socieities (I in no way do), it simply shows that human societies are not inherently based on competition between individals to climb above one naother in wealth and status, but can be based on solidarity in order to defeat external or natural obstacles to wellbeing.
You're gonna have to prove how competition is not (and has not been) inherent in human beings and society. I.e., not a "natural law"
I can't prove a negative can I?
I did not say competition is something human beings have no natural capacity for, I said it's not a law that all human societies have to be based on competition between individuals, as primitive communist societies show.
This is what you've brought the argument down to? My opinion versus yours?
Pathetic. You're grasping at straws.
No, my point was that despite all your pretentious name-dropping and appeals to "sociology", "anthropology" and "biology", you in fact ignored that within all those fields, the things you are arguing for are disputed.
Yes, communism. And, your point doesn't disprove mine. Communism is to be the final step aimed to be achieved by a society. It's a process. Different systems have aimed to get there, aimed to practice it (did they practice it 100% according to "formula"? No, and I never claimed that)....all I claimed was that they failed. And, gave a reason why. It intrinsically negates competition. And, given that competition is one of the two main vehicles of motivation in humans, that's why. And, there's always been someone in "power"/pulling the puppet strings....which is kinda a farce to Marxist theory. And, kinda proves my point
Right, but this is just your opinion. Because in fact Marxism presupposes a revolution in the advanced countries in order for socialism and later communism to be successfully built, so the fact that it "failed" in Russia is a moot point. Marx and Engels never thought Russia would have a revolution before Germany, and Lenin never thought socialism could be reached in Russia until there was a revoltion in Germany. From 1917 until hsi death he understood it as a period of "state capitalism" and that socialism could only be built ont he back of successful revolutions in western Europe (which were a genuine historical possibility had it not been for the poor organization of the German revolution).
See you cannot claim to have disprove a Marxism "in practice" until the conditions under which it claimed it could successfully introduce socialism were met. They have not been yet.
I am not claiming to have proved Marxism to you I am just pointing to your 1.)ignorance or 2.)Willfull intelelctual dishonesty on this issue.
Regarding "someone always being in pwoer", yes I've read the post-modernists too. Can you refrain from just stating your religious beliefs at me though - I don't accept them just because you state them at me.