EJCC
The Devil of TypoC
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2008
- Messages
- 19,129
- MBTI Type
- ESTJ
- Enneagram
- 1w9
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/so
The bolded is key. You didn't have that qualifier before. Just wanted to make sure you weren't putting all ESTJs into that box. But you aren't! The thing about ESTJs is, some of them actually have a filter - i.e. they see when it's appropriate to tell people that they're wrong, or correct things that they don't think are correctly done. The combination of Te and Si is a recipe for that kind of thought - i.e. "This isn't right and it needs to be fixed" - but well-developed ESTJs understand that there's a time and place for acting on your Te. That's why I think you're stereotyping more than you think you are; not only is it not typical of ESTJs to be "oppressively commanding", but some of them aren't commanding at all, except when they're upset and they accidentally let their filter down (which happens to me sometimes).Herein lies the major headbutt between ENTJ and ESTJ. I do not believe I am stereotyping to the degree you think I am. I am just being honest about the ESTJ's that I have met and experienced. They usually immediately turn me off with their incessant need to be "correct" all the time, as well as their need to tell others how "incorrect" they are. I'm not saying that there are not evolved ESTJ's and perhaps you are one of them, but most of them have an impenetrable barrier that prevents out of the box ideas from seeping in due to prejudices. I find it baffling. I need life to be more open ended.
Some of this is gender difference, I'm sure (because the stereotypical ESTJ is NOT FEMALE), but a lot of it isn't. I know a lot of people on this forum who have healthy ESTJs in their lives who don't have that problem with them. For example, IxFPs who have close ESTJ friends. How could an IxFP be friends with an ESTJ if they thought the ESTJ was stifling them and constantly undermining their opinion? The ESTJ would have to be exactly the opposite of the ESTJs you describe.
Sorry to be argumentative - it's just the nature of threads like this to turn into attacks on the MBTI type least similar to the forum majority, and that type in this case is ESTJ. Well, not necessarily "attacks", but clear implications that the less represented type is "inferior".