Mr. Sherlock Holmes
Consulting Detective
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INTPs are not affected by their upbringing. No matter where they come from or what race, religion or culture, we all look exactly like this.
Agree with the zits. But he dresses too neatly. And really, who has time to comb and gel their hair with such a stylish center part?
Oh, but with more zits.
...and the fact that out culture is so unacceptable of geeky nerdiness means the number of visibly geeky/nerdy types proportionately lower. I've never seen a Steve Urkel among us.
I think that's precisely the topic of this thread: of people having to blend in with their social environment even if it goes against their nature.
Black people are much less prone to getting bad acne, and the fact that out culture is so unacceptable of geeky nerdiness means the number of visibly geeky/nerdy types proportionately lower. I've never seen a Steve Urkel among us.
I think it's a little bit more nuanced than that. I just randomly googled "high school cliques" and this is a list I got:
- preps
- goths
- geeks
- band geeks
- book worms
- math geeks
- nerds
- punks
- skaters
- drama people
- choir people
- "special" people
- non-conformists
- gangster-type people
- tomboys
- jocks
- grade repeaters
- cheerleaders
All these groups of people simply do not exist at a typical predominantly black high school. You'll always have athletes/jocks, attractive people, and criminals everywhere so those are staple. But the diversity of groups for you to "join" wasn't there, there was very little social stratification. Look at it like this, think of The Breakfast Club that had characters that represent common high school archetypes. I'm not saying these kinds of people didn't exist but they often not distinct and cohesive enough to represent an actual group, to become a clique.
So for example at my high school, if you wanted to be both black, goth, and listen to death metal, whatever else...that was almost unheard of. I saw and see black goths, but they tend to be in areas where I know the high schools are more mixed race. I was friend's with one black goth kid at my school and he withstood a lot, but he could fight and people left him alone by junior year. It's like you already stand out, but you stand out even more when you do that in a predominantly black environment.
The fact that that person can exist in a predominantly white high school and that character is popular enough to be recognized as a universal high school social group is a liberty and freedom of expression that is rare in a predominantly black environment. Even if they're fringe, even if they're an outsider, there's a niche that exists for them and the culture is elastic enough to support a group of people who identify. That's what made Steve Urkel so odd and remarkable, because you don't typically see a person like him represented.
Surprisingly though, my high school was very tolerant towards gay and transgendered teens. Outside of Atlanta, DC is a gay black mecca so I can understand why. I remember we had three F2M trans kids in my class alone. There was a definite gay clique that was immensely popular with everyone. I'm also noticing skateboarding is becoming immensely popular with black kids in my area, I see them all on the subway and hanging out in DC so I guess that's a change.
We did have an unofficial Baby Mama Club that was quite active. You had to be under 18, have at least two kids by different fathers and one of them had to be in jail. Stringent requirements indeed and yet membership grew every year!
^You're the 2nd person who has mentioned that black people seem SJ. I'd be interested to hear why this might be the case. I'm probably wrong in drawing any conclusions, but a lot of the black friends I've had and those I've known seemed predominately SP. Very laid back, easy going, love to have fun, joke around, etc. I think the general population is fairly evenly split between SJ's and SP's, so maybe it's just a matter of not having met a lot of black people who are "N". And that happens with white people too - N's are a minority compared to S's - it's harder to find N friends because there just aren't as many of them.
^You're the 2nd person who has mentioned that black people seem SJ. I'd be interested to hear why this might be the case. I'm probably wrong in drawing any conclusions, but a lot of the black friends I've had and those I've known seemed predominately SP. Very laid back, easy going, love to have fun, joke around, etc. I think the general population is fairly evenly split between SJ's and SP's, so maybe it's just a matter of not having met a lot of black people who are "N". And that happens with white people too - N's are a minority compared to S's - it's harder to find N friends because there just aren't as many of them.
Black culture is SJ. For the most part it's because its an extension, in association, but as well as in rebellion, to American culture. In most cases, I take nurture over nature in arguements, so the culture molds people to be more SJ. SPs are the laid back variety, but more often than not, its just an SJ world.