Raffaella
bon vivant
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This post will be mostly focused on ISFJs because I don't converse with ESFJs enough to get a solid grasp of them however the point is to discuss both.
Does anyone else struggle communicating with SFJs? In the case of ISFJs, I feel that I have to speak their language (SiFe) to get points across which is fair to a certain extent however they won't try to understand intuitive conversation and have trouble comprehending abstract concepts yet they find relief in dominant introverted thinking. What gives? Don't they experience anima/animus?
What is intuitive conversation, you ask? It's skipping details or discussing abstract concepts or at least trying to discuss abstract ideas - this frustrates an ISFJ more than the aforementioned. For an ISFJ, it's either that you have poor communication skills (which is reasonable but not always the case) OR it doesn't exist and you're acting pretentious.
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Here's an example (purple=me, green=ISFJ) :
yeah, I think games are cheaper in the other store, I dunno
ARGHHH
what?!
the things you say, people don't understand!
what do you mean?!
how do you know they're cheaper in the other store? Did you compare them?
I don't remember but I'm sure I did!
You can't compare San Andreas to GTA 4
Three games for the price of one is still cheaper. Anyway, see? I'm comparing the same versions and it's still cheaper! Look at these other games - they're still cheaper in the other store!
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I'm willing to concede that FiNe is really the issue not "pure" Ne conversation however I and other NFP friends do understand SFJs and their practical manner... yet they don't seem to master FiNe conversation. It builds up a lot of resentment on both sides. So, any ideas? What's going on here?
Does anyone else struggle communicating with SFJs? In the case of ISFJs, I feel that I have to speak their language (SiFe) to get points across which is fair to a certain extent however they won't try to understand intuitive conversation and have trouble comprehending abstract concepts yet they find relief in dominant introverted thinking. What gives? Don't they experience anima/animus?
What is intuitive conversation, you ask? It's skipping details or discussing abstract concepts or at least trying to discuss abstract ideas - this frustrates an ISFJ more than the aforementioned. For an ISFJ, it's either that you have poor communication skills (which is reasonable but not always the case) OR it doesn't exist and you're acting pretentious.
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Here's an example (purple=me, green=ISFJ) :
yeah, I think games are cheaper in the other store, I dunno
ARGHHH
what?!
the things you say, people don't understand!
what do you mean?!
how do you know they're cheaper in the other store? Did you compare them?
I don't remember but I'm sure I did!
You can't compare San Andreas to GTA 4
Three games for the price of one is still cheaper. Anyway, see? I'm comparing the same versions and it's still cheaper! Look at these other games - they're still cheaper in the other store!
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I'm willing to concede that FiNe is really the issue not "pure" Ne conversation however I and other NFP friends do understand SFJs and their practical manner... yet they don't seem to master FiNe conversation. It builds up a lot of resentment on both sides. So, any ideas? What's going on here?