Do you like the taste of blood?

[Jonny]

The scars have gotten too deep for the civil war to stop regardless who wins in Nov', despite the almost implied "give us the presidency and the riots will stop" ultimatum.


The scars run too deep, the seeds of escalation have been sown. Everyone has a taste for blood and likes it.


For those of you in large embattled cities I'd get ready to stay off the streets for a while.

Well?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Inevitable might not be the right word. But I think there's a good chance I'd learn how to shoot if Trump is re-elected.

Show me that you care more about property and not being triggered by kneeling during flags than human life, and do a very good job of helping me decide which side I'll pick, if there is a civil war. I'll use force to depend what I care about (which isn't flags) if this proves necessary.

 

[ceecee]

Somebody's scared lol.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

I think there are a lot of mean and stupid people with very binary moral thinking patterns. I have family in places where people are looking for a reason to instill violence.

Will there be a civil war? I actually suspect that violence is going to continue for a while, but that at this point the Americans inclined towards violence are too lazy, out of shape, stupid, and incapable of coordinating, that it will be more of a hot mess for a while than an actual war.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Just gotta say in July I moved into a building with a lot of black tenants on the "wrong" side of Chicago, and I've never felt unsafe this summer. The most hostility I've ever received (which was coincidentally testerday) was a teenager who yelled at me (and it sounded like his voice hadn't even changed yet) after he got off the elevator and the doors closed because I was looking at his T-shirt too much. See, it was a Vader T-shirt and I was also wearing a Star Wars T-shirt, and I was just trying to decide whether or not I should say something about it.

Keep in mind that where I live is supposed to be ground zero (or close to it)of the failed Democrat American hellscape, according to Trump.

The Boogaloo boys, though, those folks I think I need to watch out for.

 

[ceecee]

Just gotta say in July I moved into a building with a lot of black tenants on the "wrong" side of Chicago, and I've never felt unsafe this summer. The most hostility I've ever received (which was coincidentally testerday) was a teenager who yelled at me (and it sounded like his voice hadn't even changed yet) after he got off the elevator and the doors closed because I was looking at his T-shirt too much. See, it was a Vader T-shirt and I was also wearing a Star Wars T-shirt, and I was just trying to decide whether or not I should say something about it.

Keep in mind that where I live is supposed to be ground zero (or close to it)of the failed Democrat American hellscape, according to Trump.

The Boogaloo boys, though, those folks I think I need to watch out for.

Many are anti-Trump, many present themselves as anarcho-socialists or want to hook up with local defense leagues, lots are super anti-cop. They are not allies, no matter what they say.

 

[Jaguar]

Huh?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Many are anti-Trump, many present themselves as anarcho-socialists or want to hook up with local defense leagues, lots are super anti-cop. They are not allies, no matter what they say.

Interesting... I was using that term in a less narrow sense. I'd include people like Kyle what's-his-name who might not officially be part of the boogaloo thing. He didn't seem all that anti-cop to me.

In any case, I'm not in favor of accelerationism in any form, whether it's Dominionist Christians or armchair revolutionaries, or whoever those boogaloo people are.

Supporting chaos for the sake of chaos because your ideology says something good has to come out of it (or even worse, because it would be exciting) is pretty uncool.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Just gotta say in July I moved into a building with a lot of black tenants on the "wrong" side of Chicago, and I've never felt unsafe this summer. The most hostility I've ever received (which was coincidentally testerday) was a teenager who yelled at me (and it sounded like his voice hadn't even changed yet) after he got off the elevator and the doors closed because I was looking at his T-shirt too much. See, it was a Vader T-shirt and I was also wearing a Star Wars T-shirt, and I was just trying to decide whether or not I should say something about it.

Keep in mind that where I live is supposed to be ground zero (or close to it)of the failed Democrat American hellscape, according to Trump.

The Boogaloo boys, though, those folks I think I need to watch out for.

That's good to hear.

I have family in places like Wyoming and white supremicist type people there like to post online about attacking certain people, their houses if they have Democratic paraphernalia on the lawn, or some van parked in town that had a bumper sticker they didn't like. I don't think they have followed through in my family's hometown, but I think the violent people are primarily the white supremicists along with the generalized, mixed crowds of people that have been wandering about the cities with guns - the whole riot scene.

 

[SD45T-2]

Interesting... I was using that term in a less narrow sense. I'd include people like Kyle what's-his-name who might not officially be part of the boogaloo thing. He didn't seem all that anti-cop to me.

In any case, I'm not in favor of accelerationism in any form, whether it's Dominionist Christians or armchair revolutionaries, or whoever those boogaloo people are.

If I ever meet any of those boogaloo folks maybe I'll ask them about Insane Clown Posse.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

If I ever meet any of those boogaloo folks maybe I'll ask them about Insane Clown Posse.

Do you think there's an overlap between them and Juggalos?

 

[ceecee]

That's good to hear.

I have family in places like Wyoming and white supremicist type people there like to post online about attacking certain people, their houses if they have Democratic paraphernalia on the lawn, or some van parked in town that had a bumper sticker they didn't like. I don't think they have followed through in my family's hometown, but I think the violent people are primarily the white supremicists along with the generalized, mixed crowds of people that have been wandering about the cities with guns - the whole riot scene.

Around here they just steal any Dem signs but I could easily see it escalating since we also have the caravans of armed, flag bearing, right winger hanging out in the WalMart parking lot although lots of them have WWG!WGA on their trucks as well so they are Trump Q supporters.

We also have a "constitutional sheriff" which means he fully supports the entire MAGA/anti mask/anti lock-down/white supremacist agenda.

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Do you think there's an overlap between them and Juggalos?

No

 

[SD45T-2]

Do you think there's an overlap between them and Juggalos?

No. I'm just facetiously conflating the two. Hence the troll face.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Around here they just steal any Dem signs but I could easily see it escalating since we also have the caravans of armed, flag bearing, right winger hanging out in the WalMart parking lot although lots of them have WWG!WGA on their trucks as well so they are Trump Q supporters.

QAnon supporters are braindead. Trump is recorded joking that Epstein "likes 'em young" so why would they think he would be their saviour against the forces of the international pedophile conspiracy?

No

I was wondering what you thought about that, since I assume, because it's Michigan, that you live in Juggalo territory.

 

[Virtual ghost]

This thread is meant to be doom and gloom but I will got counter flow.



The US doesn't need and in general doesn't want a civil war. Therefore in my book the main problem here is that diversity of the country simply can't be represented through so monolithic and simplistic political system as it is now. Much much smaller countries have much more of political diversity and therefore many more relevant political parties than US, which is objectively quite large country. In other words basically all of the current tensions would be be mostly fixed with better representation.



Here is how this looks on the other side of the Atlantic.

One of the tricks with more accurate representation is that much larger amount of people will feel represented and therefore they will search what they want through democratic means. No political system is perfect but removing the obvious flaws should be in anyone's interest. For me having Biden and Bernie in the same party is simply insane and the whole country suffers because of that fault-line. While even on the right you can have similar examples. Therefore it is better that every block gets it's own party and that they cooperate when they can in various combinations and if they can't then the majority will decide. However diversity is very likely to boost the quality of the talking points and allow phasing out of "bad apples". Since in two party system you can't punish one party without boosting another one. While in genuine multi-party system you can phase out the political parties with ease. Plus "us vs them" doesn't get so pronounced, what is good.



The European system is still under construction but as the second picture shows here various states of the block have much better odds to choose the option that represents their local interest better. What gives certain flexibility to what is even larger system than US in the term of citizen numbers. In other words as technological level growths there are more and more issues on the table and you need certain flexibility if you have a large system but you also want to have a working democracy. However that picture represent only the largest party at the time through out the member states, what is usually bellow 50% of the seats. Therefore they have to take "minor" partners to have 50% of the seats. What makes sure that for the most part that from cycle to cycle the ruling coalition is never the same, what is good for a number of reasons. What altogether is a model that can be copy-pasted into US if needed. Since this is basically electoral college with multi-party system, which is based around popular vote and there is no "winner takes all".



In my book if US actually needs something it need this kind of a change.

 

[Lark]

Well?

Initially I thought what has this to do with politics? Then I see.

Well, I dont think that's healthy talk, it sounds like personality disordered talk and I think it's taken some amount of rigging by enemies foreign and domestic for the US to get this way but its happened. I remember thinking that it was trending, seriously, as early as seven or eight years ago.

Like if the people in the US who're pretty comfortable, I mean do not experience a fear of destitution from their health bills or something "mundane" like that, have nothing to hope for but violent fantasies? Hmm, well, its definitely not what the founding fathers had in mind. This actual post is not surprising given some of the others from that same forumer, the excitement when some bum knifed someone who objected to this racial abuse of some kids for instance.

I sometimes think this sort of thing tells a tale on the people who're a fan of it, the whole death, destruction, violence, its pretty necrophilious, I think it'd not be possible to mistake it for anything other than what it is, a culture of decay, the Freudian death drive taking over.

 

[Lark]

Somebody's scared lol.

Yeah, I couldnt help but wonder about that too.

 

[Lark]

I think there are a lot of mean and stupid people with very binary moral thinking patterns. I have family in places where people are looking for a reason to instill violence.

Will there be a civil war? I actually suspect that violence is going to continue for a while, but that at this point the Americans inclined towards violence are too lazy, out of shape, stupid, and incapable of coordinating, that it will be more of a hot mess for a while than an actual war.

I've always thought about that, almost anywhere and everywhere that I've encountered racism or ethno-nationalism of some variety the people who believe they are some kind of "master race" often the very least fit for that imagined role, physically or mentally or intellectually, in fact its almost as though there is a correlate with this kind of thinking and being unfit. Its like the dreams of supremacy based on something such as accident of birth are a compensation for it even.

Its part of what's made me hate the supremacist thinking from day one. Its never based upon an observed fact, ie supremacy based upon elite performance or merit but accident of history or inherited privilege which is getting less and less defensible and more and more threatened by actual merit, performance, real superiority.

I've seen it within small business enterprises, corporate entities and communities, it doesnt have to be national or ethno-national in origin but its easily upscaled to that point. The whole Dunning-Krueger research on organisations and promotion and superiority within command structures tells all on this kind of thing I think. How the most fit individuals often remain subordinate because they misjudge their performance and the superiors remain superior because they do precisely the same thing.

As a socialist I tend to think of competition as suboptimal, wasteful and inefficient, especially in the age of complex AI for price calculation accuracy, but I can understand its popularity, especially when its rationalized as producing beneficient consequences for all and not simply the "winners". So if competition and performance were accounting for the supremacy of one class, group or ethnicity, I could at least understand its popularity in the public mind. Its not though. While its often rationalized that way its mere excuses for all the accidents, fortune and misfortune leading up to this point.

 

[Lark]

Interesting... I was using that term in a less narrow sense. I'd include people like Kyle what's-his-name who might not officially be part of the boogaloo thing. He didn't seem all that anti-cop to me.

In any case, I'm not in favor of accelerationism in any form, whether it's Dominionist Christians or armchair revolutionaries, or whoever those boogaloo people are.

Supporting chaos for the sake of chaos because your ideology says something good has to come out of it (or even worse, because it would be exciting) is pretty uncool.

In my experience accelerationism is just really old fashioned social darwinist thinking, maybe even Malthusian thinking, in pop cultural garb, so you get a lot of references to the Matrix or cool movies but its all the same old, same old.

I mean anything describing itself as conservative or traditionalist is just not where to look for fresh arguments and thinking. Not even in service of the perennial things those schools of thought say they are all about.

 

[Lark]

That's good to hear.

I have family in places like Wyoming and white supremicist type people there like to post online about attacking certain people, their houses if they have Democratic paraphernalia on the lawn, or some van parked in town that had a bumper sticker they didn't like. I don't think they have followed through in my family's hometown, but I think the violent people are primarily the white supremicists along with the generalized, mixed crowds of people that have been wandering about the cities with guns - the whole riot scene.

Its interesting to hear about that sort of thing spreading as its been the way here for a long time, in fact, as long as I remember, like when me and some friends took a trip to the US we were amazed to see lawns with signs for candidates from rival factions in neighbouring houses and there not being open war or something