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You're Se skyrocketed! So do you go by preference then? Do you prefer Ne even though you perceive with Se more?
Everybody's Se is high in this test.
It would be like "ok, I'm focusing on what's in front of me", and now I'm switching to "exploring the possibilities presented by what's in front of me"...
Before you can connect the surroundings you need to know what you're working with, which brings you to the present. However this could be explained by the extraverted aspect of Ne just as well as the entire Se function, which makes me think the test may be worded strange, or most people have learned to examine their surroundings as to make appropriate connections.
You're seeing the theory break down here.
For most of the NTPs I've seen take this test, their Fi is higher than their Fe.
Shouldn't be that way according to strict MBTI function order...
If the test is correct then the MBTI is wrong. If the MBTI is right the test is incorrect.
Because the tertiary function of the ENTP is Si, not Se, and the third is Fe not Fi. If the tertiary function is Si, wouldn't Se be even less present ?
I usually don't really notice my 'surroundings' unless there's something interesting/different going on, from what would normally be going on.
...because everyone knows these kind of tests are totally accurate. Function tests should be used to gage what your top two (along with last) preferences are, not to determine your function order. The test told me I have more Se than Si, more Fi than Fe and more Ti than Ne but am an ENTP, personal research and introspection has told me only the conclusion is correct.
So you'd prefer to believe in the rationalistic model, despite (admittedly imperfect) empirical evidence to the contrary?
That's very NTP of you...
I prefer personal research and introspection. Tests are for those who rather not figure things out for themselves.
And how about when tests are used as a method of personal research and introspection?
And introspection as a method of taking tests?
If the test is correct then the MBTI is wrong. If the MBTI is right the test is incorrect.
Because the tertiary function of the ENTP is Si, not Se, and the third is Fe not Fi. If the tertiary function is Si, wouldn't Se be even less present ?
I usually don't really notice my 'surroundings' unless there's something interesting/different going on, from what would normally be going on.
Then I call that person lazy and take what they say with a grain of salt. Tests tell you how you answered the questions presented they do not validate the questions nor put them in the correct context. I mean HELLO, they're written by people who are just as flawed/biased as everyone else! And the more you delve into a theory the stronger your biases come.
Let's look at Se vs Si, in tests many Se based questions excite my Ne tendencies, they're all about jumping into action and enjoying change so I tend to score pretty high on just about every function test out there, thing is reading up on Se tells me in a matter of seconds it's not something I access easily, it takes conscious effort for me to engage in Se activities and there's next to nothing related with Se that I find easy, it just excites me. On the other hand Si often presents as traditional and safe in tests and as my dominant function despises those things I tend to score pretty low, Si just isn't my preference, however read up on Si and it is one of my strong support functions, if often causes issues for me but is definitely there.
It's a similar deal with Fe v Fi. Group think type behaviour offends my NTness, deciding something based on my own view/morals sounds better to me, if I answer tests honestly they'll both be pretty weak as I do not use them for decision making. Read up on the functions and I'm very clearly and strongly calling on Fe while Fi seems to contradict that for me in most situations so that hardly gets a look in.
I don't care about having set function order, blindly following that is a touch better than blindly considering a test accurate but either approach requires a person to use that as a base then view themselves as a whole and determine what functions they use. Ne-Ti-Fe-Si fits me just right so the theory proposed works for me, that doesn't reinforce it but presenting test results as evidence to the contrary does nothing to disprove it.
You're seeing the theory break down here.
For most of the NTPs I've seen take this test, their Fi is higher than their Fe.
Shouldn't be that way according to strict MBTI function order...
P introverts the rational function. Therefore with P, Fi is higher than Fe; Ti is higher than Te. With J it is vice versa. Especially according to strict MBTI function order.
Look at the first two functions of the eight Ps and the eights Js of the 16 types. What do you find there? Rules do not change in the middle of the chain of the order.
Well, yes, but only for the first rational function.
The second rational function is supposed to have the opposite attitude of the first.
I know Jung thought differently, but the currently dominant paradigm broke from what Jung said.
Same as above...
I mean, under the rules you're propounding, INTJs would have higher Fe than Fi, and trust me, if you go over to that thread, it is not the case by any means...