i agree and still stick to my original post ^
if you are happy being "effective" then thats great. as long as you are happy
I just read an article about this woman who has achieved several academic degrees, is a professor in a university, has acieved a lot in the area of sports, has been a successfull in beauty contest(miss universe type of competition) and even has three kids. She is not too old either and is very good looking and in very good shape. She is also very efficient while taking the buss to the other town (200km's away) where she is working. She uses her work travel time working.
Overall, this woman has all that the society appreciates. She is highly effective, beautiful, very intelligent, slim and in good shape + probably quite lot of money too. So, she is the dream come true of all that is appreciated in the society. I mean who wouldn't like to be her?
But on the other hand, one wise INFP once asked me when I talked about highly effective people in very respectable manner:
Are they happy?
My additions to that question:
Are we even contended with what we have?
Can we appreciate life itself or are we too busy to appreciate anything?
The final question is:
Why is effectivity overrated?
Or is it?
But on the other hand, one wise INFP once asked me when I talked about highly effective people in very respectable manner:
Are they happy?
And she will lose all of that when she is dead.
Death is the great equalizer. It is kind of like a person who rushes to the stop sign while another goes at a slower pace. In both cases one thing is very clear...
You will both have to stop eventually.
So on the grand scheme of things everything she has is rotted and dead, time simply has not caught up with it yet.
As one person said, "He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless still dead."
That's an interesting view point...
A question for you:
If everybody dies sooner or later... why live? Why not die now? You'll be dead eventually.
I have a friend who told me the point of life is the experience. Whether the experience is enjoyable, worthwhile or not is as Nadir said highly subjective. Since different people would value different things.
If a person for some strange reason is happiest owning the most toys, and feels a sense of accomplishment in doing that. Then that's his beliefs. We have the right to think maybe he's far too superficial and is missing out on "true happiness". But in the end that's based on our judgmental values... who knows, maybe accumulation of wealth really is the thing for him.
The answer is simple...there is no reason from a physical standpoint why you should not or cannot die now.
Even if you disappoint others in taking your life, they will die as well so your disappointing people is only temporary. On the grand scheme of things you or I make no difference.
This is one of the reasons that rejecting the idea of God is something that we cannot afford to do. If God does not exist, then whatever you do is meaningless as all things that you do will end for you will not be there eventually to ensure their existance.
This is one of the reasons that rejecting the idea of God is something that we cannot afford to do. If God does not exist, then whatever you do is meaningless as all things that you do will end for you will not be there eventually to ensure their existance.
This is not something so clear-cut as that. It might seem meaningless, or render everything else meaningless to you if you reject God, but that doesn't mean it does so for everyone. You might want to consider that most people that reject or are indecisive/indifferent about a divine power don't do it out of spite, but simply because they do not need such a concept to explain or provide meaning to life's phenomena and the way they live.
One stupid question
What makes you think that Gods existance is not pointless also?
Well, if you can accept the idea that your life will mean nothing in the long run more power to you. But that is the reality that you face. Anyone who believes that somehow they can overcome entropy does not know the true meaning of the universe.
Do you honestly believe that if there is no God that life has a purpose? Exactly what would that be? In sixty years or so, you will die. The generation after that, well they will die as well. The third generation? Dead. Forth? Gone. Fifth. Dead, rotted, and decayed. In fact on the grand scheme of things you already have decayed. Your mind simply has not caught up with time to the reality. That is not a mobid view. THAT IS REALITY. A fact to face. The practical view.
Suppose for a moment that you benefit people in some way you come up with a marvalous cure for cancer. What does it matter? You've only posponed the inevitable as the person or persons will die from something else. Death cannot be avoided. It cannot be cured and it cannot be barganed with.
So if you wish to avoid that reality that awaits you and your loved ones then by all means. But one things is clear.
If there is no God then you will lose all that you love and there is not a single thing you can do to stop it. Ever. All of your loved ones are dead and decayed alread and you will have to look upon their graves and weep for the loss that you can never recover from. All of humanity will have to accept this sooner or later. It cannot be avoided.
If you feel that this is morbid view then perhaps you should take a trip to the local cemetary and tell me why I am wrong. Again that is reality.
This is the fate for humans if there is no God. Any other view is delusional. Again if you do not believe that, take a trip to a graveyard.
I would not call that a stupid question as I feel there is not such thing.
Pointless existance is what we have now as things do not last. As I said if you feel that this is stupid tell it to the 20 to 50 billion corpses in the ground.
So if I am wrong you will have to face the fact the life is pointless as it does not last.
Now...
consider for a moment that I am RIGHT about God. Suppose for a moment there really is an omnipotent onniescent God.
If God is truly limitless that means he can come up with limitless ideas. In addition since he would have the ability to keep people alive FOREVER that would change things quite a bit as you would always be around to make sure what you did mattered. THEN things that benefit people do so for eternity.
An unlimited God with unlimited ideas could bring unlimted happiness as there would never be an limit to his ability to please people and make them content. In addition if people were to be resurrected to immortality people would not have to worry about survival and could focus completely on other things that are worth the effort.
A pipedream? A delusion? Perhaps you view it that way. Perhaps you will roll your eyes and think that I am just some religious nut that will not accept reality as you see it. That is your right to do so and I respect your decision. Nevertheless, people here cannot say for sure there is no God. I however CAN say for sure what our fate is if there isn't.
However I have no desire to argue about the issue so I will leave you with the thought above and move onto other topics.
As I said if you feel that this is stupid tell it to the 20 to 50 billion corpses in the ground.
Then let them face it. There is no such objective meaning.
So what? You make it sound as if decaying is a bad thing. It is a natural process, and, as a human, we are no different from any other living entity. We are not outside nature, we are not outside death, and it's something you don't have to face, unless you feel the need to.
I ask you again: So what? What is it about death's inevitability that bothers you so much?
Again, you might want to consider that not all of us have a problem with this idea. I could empathise with what you said if you were immortal, but you're going to end pretty much the same way. And there's no knowing whether any God, if one exists, will bring you or your loved ones back. I'd wait until death to find out.
There's basically no consistency in the things you say. Based on the things you say here, I could ask you "why do you equate this fate with being no God?" and you would not be able to answer me with anything substantial. I could also point out that you do not even seem to consider the possibility of you being delusional yourself, which hardly seems fair.
Hmmm... aren't you talking to their children right now?
I don't want to debate it either. I just want ot say that to me living through eternity for the sake of living is pointless. I would rather die for real then accept that life.
You were born 5,000 years ago? I am talking about all of the people and generations that have died in the past.
You will die as well. We all will.