Thalassa
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To prevent social problems such as crime and rebellion. If society is unstable, it might not be willing or able to defend itself from invaders.
That is promising something that might never materialize in several lifetimes. Has there been any historic examples of this taking place? I think it takes a great amount of faith to be willing to wait generations for the trickle down effect.
I agree there is very little evidence that liberty without social responsibility ever ends well. I mean look at the Wild West, with clusters of towns that had shoot outs and renegade sheriffs, et al. Or what about inner city gangs in impoverished urban neighborhoods, those are small communities that live fairly lawlessly, are those great? Or what about the fact that when the American Constitution was written, people had a sense of community by default, and it was often based in religion. Without that sense of community that was matter-of-fact 200 years ago, libertarianism will be a complete sham, you cannot base a culture on selfishness and expect it to thrive, unless you are a very fanciful individual who somehow imagines you'll be part of the aristocracy at the top.
In fact I tend to suggest to extreme anarcho-capitalists that we already had libertarianism, a long time ago, and it resulted in some madmen taking absolute power and most people living as peasants. This is what they want? Really?
It's existed before, it was just called something different.
Social responsibility without liberty is wrong, but so is liberty without social responsibility.
However, it is human nature to want to protect one's own tribe, and not everyone, and people will express this in varying ways. Some will divide by race, others by nation, others by religion, still others by a supposedly tolerant political ideology that is actually extremely strict and rigid in its world view, and may wipe out the beautiful variety of human cultures.
This is one of the best arguments I've ever read written by a conservative, on the short-sightedness of extreme fiscal conservatism (and trust me when I say that I think extreme liberalism, in the form of global one-world order is also short-sighted).
Marxism of the Right