See, I never really understood stream of consciousness. It's supposed to be natural thought process, right? But my natural thought process doesn't stream. It doubles back on itself, less like a stream and more like a salmon desperately trying to swim back upstream, constantly being pushed back in its place by the current.
I've got (more than) a hunch that stream of consciousness is very much Ne/Se. The focus on what and how is being said, however, will be different.
I'll say it too. Well, I do get it, but it can be hard to follow if I want to
probe deeper. Stream of consciousness in books, like Jack Kerouac's "On the Road" can be hard for me. I still haven't finished it... >_>
I'd say I'm usually observant but removed. Is that combination not allowed to exist? I notice things and usually chirp up when it'd be helpful, like I'm usually good for noticing signs and landmarks and stuff, but otherwise...
Yes, it is allowed to exist. Being usually observant but removed is an INJ M.O. I was more focused on those particular differences, though. But otherwise, hmm...?
There's one thing I don't understand. When we're discussing 'internal' (N) versus 'external' (S), how far in is one allowed to go?
Not how it works. N/S is both internal (Si/Ni) and external (Se/Ne). The reason I explained it to you that way was because if you're INJ then your Dom(inant function) Ni would be internal whereas for ISTP their Aux(illary function) Se is external. I'd have focused more on ISTP's Dom Ti, which is also internal, but your earlier remark of the below post made me want to tackle it a bit differently:
Hap said:
What does it mean to be logical and analytical, anyway? I keep seeing these words, but I've never been able to see my thought processess as fitting them. To be honest, I've always seen myself as kind of set like a tapeworm. Whatever solutions are there are automatic.
Ti is analytical in nature and as the Dom for ITPs would be their most cherished and natural way of operating within their internal world.
Tapeworm, hmmm... do you mean that your thoughts sort of just occur randomly and seemingly infest you? Do they continuously link like an automatic chain, almost as though you have no control over them? If you're not trying to break the chain, do they just keep linking to other ideas/thoughts which likely amuse you as you sometimes wonder HTFuck you got them?
I honestly don't remember the last time I got mocked for physically doing something I'm unfamiliar with badly.
That you can't remember is quite telling lol Is your memory typically crappy, as though you couldn't remember the last time you flushed, even if it was five minutes ago? I think I read your poor memory earlier in your thread...hmm but I can't remember...
Morezies as I'd overlooked your first post.
Hap said:
1. Above all, I like to make up and tell stories, whether it's out loud to friends, writing novels, drawing comics, etc. I guess this is the biggest part of my personality that people will notice. I have a hard time making stories of things that actually happen unless I'm allowed to take generous liberties, though.
This alone is INJ. Or even ENP, though they likely won't care about the liberties they're taking, they'd just keep making up as they go. INJ might not care but they'll be aware of it and might worry the reception given.
So, uh, you have a hard time making stories of things that "actually happen", which I take to mean exist in 'reality', unless you can take liberty by transforming them into something
more fanciful? Is that right?
2. I must be prompted to remember things, and the things I remember most easily are things that have a sequence that make sense (like a historical timeline) or some kind of webbed relationship to each other. Trivia is absolutely impossible for me, as is putting me on the spot to try to remember something that fits X criteria. This makes me worry for my future college essays.
The very manner by which you showed this list was done in Te form, each part of 'you' (the ideas of you) is separate from each other and distinct in its proper place.
btw.. Do you find it hard giving away your ability to learn in the hands of others (such as teachers etc), in that you'd sooner learn for yourself on your own?
Being put on the spot is tough for IJs. But with regards to trivia or recalling things (ex. one's day, the weekend etc) on the spot, it's especially tough and annoying for INJs. They may depserately try to grasp their memories only to sometimes find an empty fist. (Or) Only later for the damned X to seemingly have popped up from under their foot of all places.
Anyhoo, you could still be ISTP, though I highly doubt it. And my apologies if I'm overwhelming you with questions. Take as long as you need addressing them or disregarding any you can't answer. But wait for it, I've got a surprise coming your way later...