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Sugar Hiccup
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- MBTI Type
- INFP
- Enneagram
- 4w5
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/sx
Enneagram descriptions often lean heavily towards a particular instinctual subtype, and they can even lean towards one wing (even when it discusses the wings & their impact on the core type).
This is some of the bias I've detected so far...
1s - self-pres, 9 wing
Presented as austere and nitpicky. 2 wingers can seem downright warm and the other subtypes may not be as picky about little details.
2s - social, 1 wing
The helper portrait is this specific subtype and rather misleading for other 2s. I don't even think this is the most common 2, so I don't know how it became the most common description out there.
3s - social, 2 wing
The plastic achiever who is all about impressing people & gaining status. The sexual 3 with a 4 wing is often very arty and can come across as highly individual (ie think David Bowie). Self-pres 3s are all about autonomy and not needing others, being counter vanity on the surface. Their sense of values comes from being self-sufficient. This may make them seem like 8s (more raw & less concerned with opinions of others) or 6s (may seem earthier or security seeking) or 1s (being "model" people but not showy).
4s - social / sexual, 3 wing
The melodramatic whiny 4 is a so/sx 4, and the excessively dramatic variety has a 3 wing. The sp is counter type - suffering in silence, especially if a 5 wing type; more burdened by shame but with a veneer of cool indifference that drives away what they want. I'm an sp 4 and still identify pretty easily with 4 though. Supposedly many sx 4s struggle to see their type in 4 profiles, but the profiles emphasize competitiveness and dramatic outbursts quite a bit, perhaps too much if you are not an sx 4.
5s - self-pres, 6 wing
Described as hermitic and excessively scientific or technical in the most dry way, the 5 is usually painted as a self-pres type with a 6 wing. This can confuse 5s who are artier or more abstract people and not the stereotype of a basement dwelling nerd.
6s - self-pres / social, 7 wing
This is a common type for, say, an SFJ. Will leave many confused if they are not the dutiful, warm skeptic who cozies up to people out of fear. There may be emphasis on social 6s as rather uptight, paranoid people who sound like they enjoy paperwork. Occasionally it's offset with a bit about cp 6s, which usually sounds like a daredevil ISTP or something. Obviously much too narrow...
7s - self-pres / sexual, 6 wing
The hedonistic 7 is spoken of most. This is someone who pursue concrete indulgence. The more ideal-oriented social 7 is spoken of very little, and the sexual 7 is maybe hinted at with pictures of 7s pursuing projects/people and then abandoning them once the shine wears off (very Ne, IMO). The 8 wing is often left out, which contrasts with upbeat, friendly 7w6s as much cooler, IMO. Most 7 descriptions sound like ESFPs.
8s - self-pres, 9 wing
Your basic playground bully; may grow up to be a PE teacher. Or sometimes described is the sx 8w7 who sounds they are on a cocaine binge. Some social 8 descriptions sound more like 3s (see self-pres 3) and they probably are. The social 8 shows more connection to 2 - more selfless protector than an independent leader.
9s - self-pres, social 1 wing
Sometimes we hear about sp 9w8s who sound like they flitter life away in a semi-comatose state of not caring + eating. The sexual 9 with all their whimsy & spiritual insight is spoken of very little, and hence, they tend to mistype as 4s. The 1 wing is often emphasized in the 9s diplomatic leanings or penchant for evil/good dichotomies.
Thoughts? Additions? Disagreements?
This is some of the bias I've detected so far...
1s - self-pres, 9 wing
Presented as austere and nitpicky. 2 wingers can seem downright warm and the other subtypes may not be as picky about little details.
2s - social, 1 wing
The helper portrait is this specific subtype and rather misleading for other 2s. I don't even think this is the most common 2, so I don't know how it became the most common description out there.
3s - social, 2 wing
The plastic achiever who is all about impressing people & gaining status. The sexual 3 with a 4 wing is often very arty and can come across as highly individual (ie think David Bowie). Self-pres 3s are all about autonomy and not needing others, being counter vanity on the surface. Their sense of values comes from being self-sufficient. This may make them seem like 8s (more raw & less concerned with opinions of others) or 6s (may seem earthier or security seeking) or 1s (being "model" people but not showy).
4s - social / sexual, 3 wing
The melodramatic whiny 4 is a so/sx 4, and the excessively dramatic variety has a 3 wing. The sp is counter type - suffering in silence, especially if a 5 wing type; more burdened by shame but with a veneer of cool indifference that drives away what they want. I'm an sp 4 and still identify pretty easily with 4 though. Supposedly many sx 4s struggle to see their type in 4 profiles, but the profiles emphasize competitiveness and dramatic outbursts quite a bit, perhaps too much if you are not an sx 4.
5s - self-pres, 6 wing
Described as hermitic and excessively scientific or technical in the most dry way, the 5 is usually painted as a self-pres type with a 6 wing. This can confuse 5s who are artier or more abstract people and not the stereotype of a basement dwelling nerd.
6s - self-pres / social, 7 wing
This is a common type for, say, an SFJ. Will leave many confused if they are not the dutiful, warm skeptic who cozies up to people out of fear. There may be emphasis on social 6s as rather uptight, paranoid people who sound like they enjoy paperwork. Occasionally it's offset with a bit about cp 6s, which usually sounds like a daredevil ISTP or something. Obviously much too narrow...
7s - self-pres / sexual, 6 wing
The hedonistic 7 is spoken of most. This is someone who pursue concrete indulgence. The more ideal-oriented social 7 is spoken of very little, and the sexual 7 is maybe hinted at with pictures of 7s pursuing projects/people and then abandoning them once the shine wears off (very Ne, IMO). The 8 wing is often left out, which contrasts with upbeat, friendly 7w6s as much cooler, IMO. Most 7 descriptions sound like ESFPs.
8s - self-pres, 9 wing
Your basic playground bully; may grow up to be a PE teacher. Or sometimes described is the sx 8w7 who sounds they are on a cocaine binge. Some social 8 descriptions sound more like 3s (see self-pres 3) and they probably are. The social 8 shows more connection to 2 - more selfless protector than an independent leader.
9s - self-pres, social 1 wing
Sometimes we hear about sp 9w8s who sound like they flitter life away in a semi-comatose state of not caring + eating. The sexual 9 with all their whimsy & spiritual insight is spoken of very little, and hence, they tend to mistype as 4s. The 1 wing is often emphasized in the 9s diplomatic leanings or penchant for evil/good dichotomies.
Thoughts? Additions? Disagreements?