if they are over 40 they are in a different phase of their career. Roughly speaking earlier career is all about building technical skills, earning trust and being seen to be compotent.
Middle bit typcally is manging teams and getting the best out of them.
Latter career in a corporate environment is about playing a higher level of policts. which has different credibility stakes.
yes there are politics at all levels but it comes all consuming at board level.
Some very interesting discussion could made on this subject. A lot of it boils down to Te/Fe differences in style. Part of the reason I get respect is that I am way too direct. Mostly I am quiet and just work. However when an issue needs to be addressed, I end up hacking through organizational layers with a machete to make sure the messege is clear. I become a Te tyrant, until the right people make the right choices, then I hide in my cave again. I do it rarely, but am always right, so I get away with it. My NTJ leaders and even the STJs greatly appreciate it. My ESTP VP boss says I would knock on Obama's door if needed-not sure if that is a compliment or not.
We recently added an ENTP and three ENFPs to our upper executive ranks so it shold be a fun show to watch.
AHA so I'm not the only one who just shrugs when I get pissy >.>;;
You comments are awesome and much valued. I have to spend some time pouring over them but thanks much for taking the time to write them down. Likelt the most valuable part of the whole typology thing is understanding what you are misunderstanding. What did the other person-this ENTP-really mean and how are you misunderstanding it through your own perceptions.
Ah thats kind of what I am getting too - a filtered story which has a gross biase on it, that isn't too well hidden (& the veil is kinda thin).
Your assumption about my training isn't right, I'm a qualified mental health practitioner, but haven't worked in the field for a good few years.
NDP - is a fairly full on condition and shouldn't be used to lable merely bad behaviour, it's a clinical dianosis. Like most mental health dissorders can be self diagnosed/pushed onto someone erroniously.... Depression, real depression is a clinical illeness, not simply feeling blue one day.
Just because someone has a grossly differnet style to others, is really annoying and up his own backside - doesn't not a mental helath condition make.
and of course I take thing or leave them
PS: I do think that doing some ham cognative behavioural therapy, when it has neither been prescribed or asked for is deeply manipulative and morally iffy. It fills some savour complex/super hero. The most appropriate in a turel mixed organisation is to find ways to make low % MBTI types thrive in their work. He is adding a lot of value - he sound frustrated (probably dominance of SJ/non creative/talented).... stand in his shoes - what doe the world look like...
Hehe, tell me more about my bias-we can see how close or far off you are
I'd love to chat more about NPD with you-not on this thread as it will drag it down to the shits-it and the other personality disorders are very interesting to me. NPD and BPD in particular. Let's just call him an exceptionally poorly performing entp. By "poorly performing" lets define as:
1) Not meeting his own personal career goals over a 20 year work history-he wants to be CSO
2) Not having his ideas taken seriously-which seems to be his goal
3) Everyone he interacts with wants to stab him in the eyes (hard to quantify that last one)
Let me emphasize 9/9 has utter freedom 95% of the time as he in on the road with customers. He actually rarely interacts with folks internal-5% of the time. In that 5% he has made them-including my other normal entps- despise him. He actally gets free rein to do whatever the hell he please most of the time-so no real limits of his schedule, creativity, lifestyle or anything else.
However in this position he is actually not adding much value at all to the organization. Meh, maybe a bit of sales here and there, but really just drops in the bucket. It will also not lead him where he wants to be careerwise. Also only somewhat productive here due to pissing off customers and partners.
However what he really wants-and where he could truly add value-is for his ideas to be taken, brought internal and made into new products. He wants to see his ideas become reality and be respected for them. This inadvertantly puts him into the career path he wants. Earlier I noted you said this was not what he cared about-instead he wanted a free work enviornment. It seemed REALLY odd, as their ideas are all he or my other ENTPs seem to care about???? Cant see in you guys brains though, so I have to go by his words. Would love commentary here....
THIS-having his ideas respected-not my suggestions, is what seems to be improving his interactions. I think my suggestions are just tools he chunks in a box and pulls them out as tools as needed-when he feels confident??? Hell I dunno... No illusions of changing his core-that isnt the goal.
Fi is kind of a funny thing. It seeks to minimize unhappiness-not group harmony like Fe but the real deal-each person's internal unhappiness. So my goal is not save this particular guy, but to minimize the unhappiness of my team first and foremost. What benefits them the most. The first thing you evaluate in a team is what each person wants to gain from being on the team-What do they want? They get what they want, they buy in and work hard, we make progress, we minimize unhappiness. (My entps endlessly is confused-she makes them look happy-Fe, I actually make them happy-Fi. We complemet well.)
My ESTPs want money, a window office, and social recognition. My INTPs seem to want to be left alone, but want the things they build to be sound and robust, if they are going to bother building them. My ISTJs typically want respect, some recoignition, and want reliable, robust, routine assignments. I personally want them to be all to be the least miserable possible, to make Fi shut the fuck up so I dont feel thier reflected pain. This ENTP wants his ideas taken seriously-he is on my team-ths how can I do that? It may mean confrontation and listening to feedback on his part.
PS=Tried to get off his project. No go as nobody else will work with him. Was again on "shrug" bt I emailed him "dear Jesus (he is an arrogant motherfucker and likes it when people tell him so), When I have PMS, I find chocolates and Red wine work. You might try that." Then I asked him for his opinion/advice regarding a highly technical area he has info on. I am back on "nonshrug" for now...