OrangeAppled
Sugar Hiccup
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2009
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- MBTI Type
- INFP
- Enneagram
- 4w5
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/sx
Well, it bears repeating that socionics in its most well known form was developed by an ENTp, whose vulnerable function is Fi (followed by Se). So it's not all that surprising that the descriptions of those functions specifically are a little off.
They aren't all crap though, I would say. A lot of socionics Fi makes sense to me and doesn't feel like Fe, to be honest. A large part of my people skills lies in knowing how I feel about people, having a decent idea of how they feel about me and the confidence (if not necessarily the inclination) that I can manipulate the strength of the bond, either to bring them closer to me or push them away (I'm not discounting their own role in it by any means or saying it's always predictable, but I'm confident of being able to control things from my end).
It's not an awareness of the other person in and of themselves but an idea of the relationship with that person, which is largely wrought by me and therefore more internal.
Regarding EII and the "ISFJ doormat" thing, yeah, I think it's way overstated (especially in the Wikisocion descriptions) but I do think that a lot INFPs have a kind of unconscious urge towards comfort and nostalgia and tend to mirror behaviours they like and want to show love in the ways they appreciate. So there's a bit of an anxious people pleaser element in them, which likes to attend to people's physical comfort but isn't necessarily so great at it (or as great as a real ISFJ would be).
Not saying this is true of all INFPs or of you in particular but I've noticed the tendency in quite a few.
The italic is more e9 than Fi, IMO. I note that in e9s, regardless of Jungian type.
I'm not nostalgic much at all either and don't really see it in any INFPs I've known, including e9s. I think it's a poor grasp of what tertiary Si looks like in an INxP. I just don't see it at all that way.
The bolded is only something I can dream of. That's one of my biggest struggles in life. I struggle to clearly see how people feel about me. I seem to project dislike/criticism &/or naively feel liked when actually being manipulated - which reminds me of inferior Te as described by Jung for Fi-dom. I waffle between extremes in trying to gauge this. I certainly focus on it, but I am very uncertain.
I don't know how to manipulate bonds either. I generally feel at the mercy of someone else. I can mimic certain social formulas, but then I get frustrated when it doesn't work like it "should". I have that "missed the memo" feeling in this area.