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Considering that this test only looks at "clubs" (NF - humanitarians, NT - researchers, SF - socials, ST - pragmatists) and temperaments (EP, IP, EJ, IJ), it's not surprising that people who are in between, at least in the second category might have issues with the test.
The interesting thing is that the first question seems to peg clubs fairly well, without necessarily being so unsubtle that you feel like you're being forced to your destination.
As a J-ish P (in MBTI), the uncertainty of the second set of choices didn't bother me much. I know that I'm superficially adaptive and accommodating and internally stern but that might be a difficult distinction to make or figure out, I guess.
Considering that this test only looks at "clubs" (NF - humanitarians, NT - researchers, SF - socials, ST - pragmatists) and temperaments (EP, IP, EJ, IJ), it's not surprising that people who are in between, at least in the second category might have issues with the test.
The interesting thing is that the first question seems to peg clubs fairly well, without necessarily being so unsubtle that you feel like you're being forced to your destination.
As a J-ish P (in MBTI), the uncertainty of the second set of choices didn't bother me much. I know that I'm superficially adaptive and accommodating and internally stern but that might be a difficult distinction to make or figure out, I guess.
Senza: as an ISFP, how are you so smart?
Showing, once again, as I have said all along, that the only reason some introverts get the wrong Socionics type, relative to their MBTI type, is because Socionics considers the dominant function as the determining factor in whether someone is "Jish" ("orderly, structured, stable") or "Pish" ("disorganized, adaptive, depends on mood"), whereas MBTI considers the first extroverted function as the determining factor on this matter.
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Notice: the bolded is the only part that's different, and it all pertains to Jish vs Pish qualities.
Now, people can have their opinion on whether being FiNe causes you to be Jish or Pish and NiFe causes you to be Jish or Pish -- frankly, I think it's somewhere in the middle (i.e., that the introverts might be either one, or kinda both, just one way in certain ways, but the other way in other ways) -- but there is no questioning that this test shows exactly what I have been saying all along: that one should have the same cognitive functions in both systems, but one system simply emphasizes Jish qualities for individuals whose dominant function is a Judging function and Pish qualities for introverts whose dominant function is a Perceiving function (Socionics), while the other emphasizes Jish qualities for individuals whose first extroverted function is a judging function and Pish qualities for individuals whose first extroverted function is a Perceiving function (MBTI).
There is no debate. This is fact.
No. The cognitive functions are not the same in these systems. This test here isn't even testing for functions, just dichotomy stuff, so how does it prove anything about functions. Your conclusion is not fact. What's fact here is not new: that socionics assigns j/p based on leading function.
And that thing about people having opinions on how much J or P FiNe is etc, opinion seriously? Measure it, don't waste time on mental masturbation.
PS. I did not have time to read the other posts yet so apologies if someone else already pointed out all this.
No. The cognitive functions are not the same in these systems. This test here isn't even testing for functions, just dichotomy stuff, so how does it prove anything about functions. Your conclusion is not fact. What's fact here is not new: that socionics assigns j/p based on leading function.
And that thing about people having opinions on how much J or P FiNe is etc, opinion seriously? Measure it, don't waste time on mental masturbation.
PS. I did not have time to read the other posts yet so apologies if someone else already pointed out all this.
Showing, once again, as I have said all along, that the only reason some introverts get the wrong Socionics type, relative to their MBTI type, is because Socionics considers the dominant function as the determining factor in whether someone is "Jish" ("orderly, structured, stable") or "Pish" ("disorganized, adaptive, depends on mood"), whereas MBTI considers the first extroverted function as the determining factor on this matter.
Notice: the bolded is the only part that's different, and it all pertains to Jish vs Pish qualities.
Now, people can have their opinion on whether being FiNe causes you to be Jish or Pish and NiFe causes you to be Jish or Pish -- frankly, I think it's somewhere in the middle (i.e., that the introverts might be either one, or kinda both, just one way in certain ways, but the other way in other ways) -- but there is no questioning that this test shows exactly what I have been saying all along: that one should have the same cognitive functions in both systems, but one system simply emphasizes Jish qualities for individuals whose dominant function is a Judging function and Pish qualities for individuals whose dominant function is a Perceiving function (Socionics), while the other emphasizes Jish qualities for individuals whose first extroverted function is a judging function and Pish qualities for individuals whose first extroverted function is a Perceiving function (MBTI).
There is no debate. This is fact.
As a J-ish P (in MBTI), the uncertainty of the second set of choices didn't bother me much. I know that I'm superficially adaptive and accommodating and internally stern but that might be a difficult distinction to make or figure out, I guess.
D or C 2 - NiFe or NiTe
Choosing a letter group was hard. Feeling was sounding like Fe, as usual... Perhaps replace tactful with sensitive & get rid of knowing how people feel about you.
That's a big problem though! This is a personality/psychology theory after all....
MBTI gets it right because J/P behavior is as much about the introverted function as the extroverted function, IMO. J/P behavior is the result of a whole mindset. The inferior, opposing function for a Ji-dom is Je, so to make Ji sound like Je is bizarre.
The Fi description is such utter crap, I can't even begin to identify it. It taints every other aspect of the theory for me, which is a shame because it goes into intertype dynamics which MBTI hardly touches.
I should be EII, but unfortunately, they decided to make Fi sound like Fe in an ISFJ, so that EII descriptions read like ISFJ e9w1. This leads socionics "experts" to type me as a slightly misanthropic ENFp or INFp, as it sounds the most e4.
The concept of socionics is interesting, but its framework is filled with crap. Well-organized crap is still crap.
Why don't they word it that way? Or rather, I'd prefer "consistency in thought/feeling" or JH Van Der Hoop's much more insightful comment on Ji-dom:
Just as with the introvert of thinking-type, we find [in the Fi type], too, a marked contrast between inner security on the one hand, and uncertainty in external behavior on the other.
Instead they talk about being organized & following rules & being sequential.... I'm not any of that internally either. Rational doesn't mean sequential or linear.