SolitaryWalker
Tenured roisterer
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- Apr 23, 2007
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- MBTI Type
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- 5w6
- Instinctual Variant
- so/sx
If that is the case, that is fine and I admit its an error in my judgement. I should've taken it with more humour.
Logic is the most objective concept that humans have approximated. Logic efficiently utilised in maths, is hardly falsified, that is correct, but the person utilising its logical variant in understanding human tendencies, is not as efficient in its usage, since human nature is not as accurately quantifiable as say maths. A person's subjective experiences in life, limit the use of logic because of constraint by time in history, culture, family, peers, nature to name some. Imperfections, in this regard have to be accepted, otherwise effective critique in logic can be hindered and contextual understanding of MBTI in the remit of other thought, which would hinder precision and refinement. Taking an absolutionist approach to the perfection of one's logical perception, will cause a slow down, in taking into account more subtle methodological critques of one's perspective. There is difference in acknowledgment and proactively critiquing one's absolutionist approach.
Your point is valid, when taking in various assumed variables about the internal and external world. It depends on what environment the Thinker or Feeler is trying to progress in, if there is heavy focus on a value system and social cohesion, there can be situations, where the thinker can potentailly suffer from his or her feeling deficiencies. Also this is under the assumption, that the "purpose" you describe is of an equal race end, between thinkers and feelers. Thinkers may have a solid purpose, while NFs, being of the idealist quandrant have a similarly hypothetical equivalent of "purpose", but are perfectionists, so want further refinement, this can cause a relative slowdown true, however the irrational function of NF, may cause them to work harder once that purpose is obtained, than the logics of a thinker would, causing societal progress i.e Martin Luther King, Gandhi, to mention the prominent ones or at least arbitary self gain, which is considered a bad thing for some. All humans are selfish though in some manner, it varies, overlaps and is a lot down to perception.
The clear sense of self issue, is a drawback, individual's emotions are hard to measure objectively, posing more difficulty in the one that has more prominent usage in it, that is fair. I have no objection that Ti/Te users would be at a natural advantage in impersonal analysis generally and the difference you explained between Ti conceptual advantage and Te implementation advantage.
Btw, I find your opinions very interesting and thought provoking, even if I don't agree with everything, there aren't many that contribute so much in their posts.
We have established that only through logical thinking one can have a clear-cut purpose.
Martin Luther and Ghandi were NFs who had a clear-cut purpose. Therefore they were the exceptional NFs who were skilled at things they are not talented in. Such NFs are rare as very few of us are skilled at what we are not talented in.
I generally find your posts to be informative, from a logical standpoint. But it's pretty clear you have a strong bias in favor of T over F.
Who defines what these "priorities" are? For an NF, feeling good involves making sure others are also feeling good. Perhaps this is not a logical priority, but it is still a priority.
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that you don't quite understand NF's because you're trying to logically analyze them. Since your priorities are based upon efficiency and utility, it's not surprising you would see NF's as flighty, unstructured, and undisciplined. But be aware that your NT inclinations are filtering your perspective of reality. Objectivity here is limited.
I am sure NFs would like to think they care about others as much as they care about themselves, but this could only be so if they go against their natural predilections. That cannot be so unless they use Thinking. If they use Feeling, they are doing merely what feels right, and people are selfish by nature. Most NFs are not good at the use of Thinking and therefore are unable to avoid being selfish. Our lower functions tend to be subordinate to the higher. Hence, an NF has an irrational vision produced by N and F that they are an altruistic person and therefore use Thinking to convince themselves that this is so.