The Great One
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INTJs say the most amusing things.
I wish Bill Cosby did that show instead. I'd actually watch that show.
INTJs say the most amusing things.
"Well, that's fine, but ultimately irrelevant"
Same here, though my version is more like, "yes, but we don't care because . . . ".Are you me? That sounds like me! I'm pretty sure I've said those words verbatim before.
Of course I'm not always like that, but I'm certainly known to be at times.
"I'm not negative, I'm just a realist".
-My INTJ 5w6 little brother.
"I'm not negative, I'm just a realist".
-My INTJ 5w6 little brother.
Yes. When asked to choose between pessimism and optimism, I choose realism. Either of the others have too much potential for delusion.Sounds like something I would say.
I would say: I believe X, Y, and Z. It is up to the church to decide whether that is adequate to call myself Catholic. Meanwhile, I will keep attending Mass, etc. as long as I find it worthwhile. (Not a Catholic, BTW; just an example.)During a heated debate about Catholicism:
Me (paraphrased slightly): If you're Catholic, you don't have to believe everything the Pope says. You don't have to believe that his word is the direct word of God. There's a lot of gray area -- and a lot of my Catholic friends fill that gray area.
INTP 5w6 dad (paraphrased slightly): That's irrational. Being Catholic requires that you believe that the Pope's word is the direct word of God. Therefore, if you're Catholic, then you believe that, and if you say you're Catholic and you don't believe that, then you aren't Catholic.
(I gave up right about then. )
That sounds like a healthy answer. My dad's obviously pretty anti-Catholic -- he and my mom are of the opinion that they're essentially mindless sheep. I relate to your approach a lot more; it's how I approach my own religious faith.I would say: I believe X, Y, and Z. It is up to the church to decide whether that is adequate to call myself Catholic. Meanwhile, I will keep attending Mass, etc. as long as I find it worthwhile. (Not a Catholic, BTW; just an example.)
Catholicism doesn't have a monopoly on that. Many religious faithful are mindless sheep, but then many PEOPLE are mindless sheep. Very frustrating. I think the content of someone's beliefs are far less important than whether they have considered them critically, and actually understand and consciously accept what they claim to believe. I have no respect for blind belief, and adults who follow a faith just because they always have, or everyone else (in their family, or community) does.That sounds like a healthy answer. My dad's obviously pretty anti-Catholic -- he and my mom are of the opinion that they're essentially mindless sheep. I relate to your approach a lot more; it's how I approach my own religious faith.
That is quite similar to a conversation I and someone I forgot once had with [MENTION=7254]Wind-Up Rex[/MENTION].During a heated debate about Catholicism:
Me (paraphrased slightly): If you're Catholic, you don't have to believe everything the Pope says. You don't have to believe that his word is the direct word of God. There's a lot of gray area -- and a lot of my Catholic friends fill that gray area.
INTP 5w6 dad (paraphrased slightly): That's irrational. Being Catholic requires that you believe that the Pope's word is the direct word of God. Therefore, if you're Catholic, then you believe that, and if you say you're Catholic and you don't believe that, then you aren't Catholic.
(I gave up right about then. )
"I'm not negative, I'm just a realist".
-My INTJ 5w6 little brother.
"I'm not negative, I'm just a realist".
-My INTJ 5w6 little brother.
Sounds like something I would say.
I have to laugh at this because I have a friend who is INTJ 5w6 and we get into these mock arguments when he thinks I am being too positive. His rebuttal to my accusation that he is a pessimist is 'No, I am a pragmatist, see the difference?'
An ISTJ 5 on PerC implied that I'm not an ISTJ because I'm too much of an optimist. xD
An ISTJ 5 on PerC implied that I'm not an ISTJ because I'm too much of an optimist. xD
Why would ISTJ be associated with pessimism and what type does he really think you are, INTJ?